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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#16451: May 10th 2015 at 7:40:11 PM

And now here's a guy beating the game in 26 minutes. Just mute the sound. The speedrunner either talks through his teeth or mumbles the whole way through, either way, it's annoying.

(Protip to people providing commentary on a speedrun: SPEAK LOUDLY AND CLEARLY. Mumbling is insanely annoying.)

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16452: May 10th 2015 at 7:44:22 PM

By the way, as I read the manga, I took note of the point at which each character "drops out" of the active fighting, for lack of a better term.

  • First to go is Roshi, who quite literally quits the 22nd Tournament due to being satisfied with both Goku and Tien being stronger than him.
  • Next is Chaozu. Granted, he was always more minor than the others but after jobbing to Tao, who Goku surpassed long ago, his plot role is basically zilch apart from some minor moments where having a telekinetic around is helpful.
  • Yamcha was kind of always a jobber, Roshi beating him with just the backdraft from his attacks and all, but after getting stronger on King Kai's planet he, ironically enough, just kinda... stops showing up.
  • Tien has his one moment of glory during the Cell Saga, then retires from active Z Fighter duty to be hermit with Chaozu or whatever.
  • Finally, Krillin and Piccolo do stuff throughout the Buu Saga but due to being vastly outclassed by the Saiyans at this point they're pretty much left as "advisors," Piccolo in particular, due to having the most common sense of the cast.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#16453: May 10th 2015 at 7:58:16 PM

You can probably add Gohan to that list too.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16454: May 10th 2015 at 8:10:43 PM

I didn't really count him since he retires during the ten-year timeskip, but fair point.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#16455: May 10th 2015 at 9:16:54 PM

OK, I suddenly had this thought, and it made me start laughing uncontrollably for a few minutes. And I know this isn't exclusive to DBZ, but still.

When someone goes SSJ 3, and then goes back to normal, where does all the extra hair go? It doesn't fall off, we can see that. it just...vanishes. Isn't that theoretically impossible? Isn't doing that violating the Law of Conservation of Mass? They're creating and destroying hair out of nothing!

Is that the point, that SSJ 3 is so powerful that it breaks the laws of physics? I mean, it would make a little bit of sense. SSJ breaks the laws of gravity when it comes to hair, so...

EDIT: Actually, I just realised Piccolo violates the laws of physics with his Clothes Beam. So that part isn't that weird. But there's still the 'destruction' part.

edited 10th May '15 9:20:02 PM by LOLypop1224

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#16456: May 10th 2015 at 9:20:01 PM

And spontaneously generating beams of vaguely-defined energy capable of turning planets into dust doesn't break conservation of energy?

If it weren't for Beerus, the universe would be on a fast track to an early Big Crunch.

edited 10th May '15 9:20:20 PM by Enlong

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#16457: May 10th 2015 at 9:40:20 PM

That makes Beerus make SO much sense...

He's there to stop all the crazy entropy that protagonists keep making! He's basically Kyubey!

edited 10th May '15 9:43:14 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16458: May 10th 2015 at 10:37:42 PM

So if, hypothetically, Piccolo were to vomit up a few kids, would they be normal-looking Namekians or freaky mutants like his older "brothers?"

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16459: May 11th 2015 at 12:18:14 AM

Well he's a full Namekian instead of just a Namekian's evil half, at least post merger, so... he'd probably have normal kids.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#16460: May 11th 2015 at 1:21:40 AM

You know, if Dragon Ball Super ends off by fully retiring Goku's character...they're going to have a tough job, considering his character has been retired TWICE already. Once after the Cell Saga that was alright, and once in GT which was also pretty good.

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#16461: May 11th 2015 at 5:09:34 AM

He's there to stop all the crazy entropy that protagonists keep making! He's basically Kyubey!

It's the opposite, really. The protagonists make too much energy. Kyubey would be recruiting them.

Beerus is more like the Anti Spiral

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16462: May 11th 2015 at 5:26:26 AM

Ehhh really don't know how you're counting this retirements HT. Showing up and getting the shit beaten out of you should still count, otherwise Yamcha is retired as of his second appearance.

So Chaozu retires after coming back from Kaio's (doesn't show up to fight the Androids), Yamcha and Tenshinhan after getting beat up by the Cell Juniors, Kuririn and Piccolo after being turned to stone

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16463: May 11th 2015 at 7:46:19 AM

Tien fought Super Buu. With Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed.

28 times.

edited 11th May '15 7:46:39 AM by unnoun

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#16464: May 11th 2015 at 7:59:05 AM

Tien's the only non-Goku/Vegeta fighter who isn't retired from fighting; which leaves a problem, it'd be out of character for him to stop fighting but he's so laughably weak compared to Goku & Vegeta that he can't contribute anything.

So the solution was to write him out.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#16465: May 11th 2015 at 8:05:39 AM

Fortunately, he's easy to write out because he's a bitter lone wolf type who hates people not named Chiaotzu. He got over his aspirations to murder people for profit but never quite stopped being an unfriendly misanthrope.

Thus, his natural state is to be written out; it takes a deliberate effort to write him back in. His comfort zone is to be training in the mountains far away from the rest of the cast and anything interesting that might happen until something draws his attention to whatever's going on, or someone goes and retrieves him.

edited 11th May '15 8:09:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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#16466: May 11th 2015 at 8:38:48 AM

That video was comedy gold. [lol]

"This is the Buu that Tien fought with right?"

"Fought is a strong word here."

Also "Everyone wants a female buu waifu now." [lol]

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16469: May 11th 2015 at 2:08:15 PM

So I know the DB Wiki is generally considered not ver good, but man, the Power Levels page in particular is a mess. There are no less than three completely contradictory figures, from different sources, for King Cold, just as one example.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16470: May 11th 2015 at 2:17:44 PM

Tell me about it, it's a mess.

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#16471: May 11th 2015 at 2:18:41 PM

I see that they also took the "Kai's were 1000 times stronger than Freeza" line that was only in the dub.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16472: May 11th 2015 at 2:20:34 PM

The original line is "Could defeat Frieza in one blow," apparently.

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#16473: May 11th 2015 at 2:26:27 PM

Even with all the power escalation that happened in the Cell Saga, 120 billion is way too high for Kaioshin to be so thoroughly awed and humbled by the Saiyans' x100 power, especially with it further being revealed that Goku never surpassed Frieza in Base.

Super Saiyan 2 Goku cannot be above 12 billion as of the Buu Saga, and he was the strongest of the three Saiyans that utterly blew Kaioshin away with how unbelievably powerful they were.

edited 11th May '15 2:26:53 PM by TobiasDrake

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zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#16474: May 11th 2015 at 2:28:53 PM

[up][up]Which is not very impressive if you think about it. Android Saga Trunks did that. Well he was more like, could destory Frieza with one slash of his sword, but you get the idea.

edited 11th May '15 2:29:57 PM by zsax

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16475: May 11th 2015 at 2:29:00 PM

East Supreme Kai was apparently below Cell, given he was afraid of Dabura who was as strong as Cell.

The anime gave more screen time to the Supreme Kais, and showed South evenly matching Pure Buu and Grand putting up a good fight against Buff Buu, so they were quite a bit stronger. West was apparently the fastest and North the best swordsman, but what that means for their strength I couldn't say.

edited 11th May '15 2:29:55 PM by HamburgerTime


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