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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#16351: May 9th 2015 at 1:08:54 PM

Still, the most powerful deities in existence should be able to beat up fucking space pirates.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16352: May 9th 2015 at 1:44:03 PM

Bojack's Gang didn't actually exist in canon so it's okay.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16353: May 9th 2015 at 1:48:58 PM

I do find it kind of odd Beerus is apparently far above Grand Supreme Kai given their jobs are mirrors of each other.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16354: May 9th 2015 at 1:52:02 PM

I mean.

Maybe all of the Supreme Kais combined would be roughly equal to Beerus?

Or, actually, all of the Supreme Kais plus all of the lesser Kais.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16355: May 9th 2015 at 1:55:36 PM

It'd make sense if there were originally a 'God of Creation' and a 'God of Destruction', and the God of Creation decided being a single being sucked and so created the Kai structure to make things easier, while the God of Destruction... well, destroying things ought to be much easier.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16356: May 9th 2015 at 2:00:22 PM

Speaking of Kais, anyone seen this? It's a diagram of the DB universe from one of the recent databooks. Interesting tidbits include the fact that Hell is above the Mortal Realm, and the Supreme Kais' planet is in a little pocket universe that orbits the main one like a moon.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16358: May 9th 2015 at 2:03:56 PM

Is there a bigger version of that picture?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16359: May 9th 2015 at 2:20:48 PM

[up] Here. Wikia does that for some reason.

What's interesting is that there seem to be only five Kais/Kaios for the whole universe. I had previously though each inhabited galaxy had a set of Kais. Apparently the distinction is actually that the Kais' authority extends only to the Mortal Realms, while the Supreme Kais govern the mortal and spiritual realms.

edited 9th May '15 2:21:00 PM by HamburgerTime

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#16360: May 9th 2015 at 2:24:19 PM

... What's Maikai?

EDIT: Oh, the Demon Realm. It's location is interesting.

edited 9th May '15 2:24:54 PM by Zelenal

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#16361: May 9th 2015 at 2:25:18 PM

Of course, in practice the Kai's "authority" doesn't seem to amount to anything.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16362: May 9th 2015 at 2:31:23 PM

They're the Gods of Creation. In a certain sense, they're Beerus's equals and counterparts.

Y'know, if he wasn't basically a schoolyard bully.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#16363: May 9th 2015 at 2:32:23 PM

Kinda funny that hell is above Earth. That's usually not the way it works

As for Space Pirates being stronger than Gods, I'm guessing that maybe the Supreme Kais would have gotten stronger themselves with each generation (as is the case for most races) but then Buu roflstomped them, and all that was left was the incompletely trained East Supreme Kai.

I mean, the previous Supreme Kais would pass on their knowledge to their successors later on right? If Old Kai hadn't been sealed in the sword, maybe he would have taught the power increasing ability to his eventual successor if it was possible.

I actually like this theory. If it makes sense, then that means guys like Frieza (and the movie only Bojack) were only just catching up to the former Gods.

Also, the Supreme Kais sans East / Kibito Kai and the Supreme Kai of Time were just filler characters anyway, so they are (at least as they are portrayed in the Anime) as non-canon as Bojack's group (who can officially still exist in canon, since nothing about their appearance contradicts anything about canon).

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16364: May 9th 2015 at 2:35:34 PM

[up] South and Grand Supreme Kai actually do show up, for one panel each, in the manga, where East describes how Buu absorbed them.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#16365: May 9th 2015 at 2:39:19 PM

Oh. I'm gonna check that shit out.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#16367: May 9th 2015 at 2:42:37 PM

I saw it.

Then only North and West are filler. The other two are canon.

I never knew that.

edited 9th May '15 2:42:53 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16368: May 9th 2015 at 2:46:14 PM

Though the same guidebook that gave that diagram of the universe gave more information on the Kais' species. They're actually called "Shin-jins" and they aren't gods in the traditional sense of being immortal and omnipotent, they're more alien-slash-angel... things that are native to the Other World. They're born from a magical tree and do eventually die of old age; when a Kai dies, their successor is chosen entirely at random from the other Shin-jins (which probably explains a lot). Every once in a while the tree produces a golden fruit, and the Shin-jin produced from that is much stronger than normal; only these Shin-jin can become Supreme Kais. There's also around fifty Shin-jin at a time who aren't currently holding a Kai position (I'd imagine Kibito is one), which implies that the golden fruit must be really rare since a successor to the four dead Supreme Kais hasn't been chosen in five million years.

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#16369: May 9th 2015 at 5:01:46 PM

East Kaioshin is the weakest of the Kaioshin and he was much stronger than Piccolo and able to restrain SS2 Gohan with his powers.

Team Kaioshin would wreck Bojack's gang.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16370: May 9th 2015 at 5:06:29 PM

Admittedly, that SSJ 2 Gohan was much weaker than the one who wrecked Bojack's shit. In fact, he might very well be only half as strong as he was back then.

edited 9th May '15 5:07:05 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#16371: May 9th 2015 at 5:07:46 PM

Not that much weaker. He would've been able to fuse with Goku who was stronger than Cell Games Gohan.

So he has to still be pretty close to Goku in the same form.

edited 9th May '15 5:08:47 PM by Saiga

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16372: May 9th 2015 at 5:16:16 PM

... Huh?

Did they ever say Goku thought about using the Metamorese fusion with Gohan? 'Cuz I can't recall that ever being brought up. The one time he intended to fuse with Gohan was with the Potara, which don't care about that shit.

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#16373: May 9th 2015 at 5:26:06 PM

I could have sworn he mentioned wishing that Gohan or Vegeta were alive so he could do that fusion with them.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16374: May 9th 2015 at 5:28:16 PM

I can't remember, that's why I'm asking, myself.

I'd have to go back and check the only time he could have possibly said it, which was back when he was teaching the fusion to Goten and Trunks.

edited 9th May '15 5:28:39 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#16375: May 9th 2015 at 5:29:19 PM

Actually, couldn't Goku just adjust his power anyways to match Gohan's so they could use the Fusion Dance? Because if so, this is not a measure of how weak Gohan got in the seven years since Cell.

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