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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16276: May 8th 2015 at 6:04:58 PM

I don't see how the concept is flawed, as I said it's just building on Old Kai's little rant on the subject which is straight from the manga.

Which is a terrible idea, because that scene is him being a crotchety old man. Revealing that his statement was in reference to something really hardcore just makes him an absolute idiot for not saying anything further, and still allowing the Dragon Balls to be used. If he doesn't know of anything further, then his statement is completely unrelated.

The scene only works if he's just being a stick in the mud, which also fails to support it leading to anything.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16277: May 8th 2015 at 6:08:08 PM

Dragon Ball mentors tend to have zigzagging competence to begin with.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16278: May 8th 2015 at 7:24:16 PM

So, I'm now done with the series. Was definitely worth it. My favorite part was definitely the "Z" period, Frieza, Cell, and Buu. Can't really pick favorites among them, they all had their own strengths and weaknesses.

Least favorite part, and I'm sure someone will yell at me for this but oh well, was the very beginning, mostly due to the crass humor style not really gelling with me. Once Toriyama brought in some actual antagonists and dialed back on the poop, penises, and perverts, it really took off.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16281: May 8th 2015 at 10:18:11 PM

So, since "Saiyan beyond God" is weaker than Super Saiyan God, what should we actually call it so it doesn't give off the wrong impressions?

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#16282: May 8th 2015 at 10:20:16 PM

Blu-per Saiyan.cool

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16283: May 8th 2015 at 10:27:01 PM

Blu-Ray Saiyan.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16284: May 8th 2015 at 10:33:47 PM

[up][up][up] Are you talking about the powered-up base form from DBH or SSJGSS?

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#16285: May 8th 2015 at 10:35:48 PM

The latter more than likely.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#16286: May 8th 2015 at 11:23:46 PM

The new base form, the one actually called "Saiyan beyond God."

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16287: May 8th 2015 at 11:27:04 PM

Ah, I see. Yeah, that is weird, but I guess it just means that Goku and Vegeta essentially around God level at base, exceeding when going SSJGSS.

The name comes from DBH, so I'm not really sure why it's called that. It'd be easier to just say God Saiyans.

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#16288: May 8th 2015 at 11:36:38 PM

Or Saiyan Gods?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#16289: May 8th 2015 at 11:53:08 PM

Eh, either way works fine.

So, when do ya think DBS is gonna pull out Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2/Z/S? (AKA SSJGSSS)

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16291: May 9th 2015 at 12:48:46 AM

In honor of it, I shall use half a ton of hair gel today, and possibly risk my job.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16293: May 9th 2015 at 6:56:06 AM

I'd just call it Saiyan God. That way it sounds weaker than Super Saiyan God.

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#16294: May 9th 2015 at 7:37:59 AM

Like other Super Saiyan forms, Super Saiyan God doesn't have a power level. There's no such thing as "being more powerful than Super Saiyan God" unless you're talking about multiplicative transformations. As the new Base state, comparing Saiyan Beyond God to Super Saiyan God is like comparing Recoome to the Kaioken x4. The answer is mu because the question is wrong.

edited 9th May '15 7:38:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16295: May 9th 2015 at 7:39:28 AM

Why do you keep assuming it's multiplicative?

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#16296: May 9th 2015 at 7:49:13 AM

Because literally every other transformation has been. It's unlikely to change now.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16297: May 9th 2015 at 7:55:00 AM

...Why do you assume that the original Super Saiyan transformation was always multiplicative?

From what I've read, Goku's power level as a SS 1 was fifty times what it was before, but that doesn't necessarily mean it always was that way.

Especially given the stuff in the Cell arc about Ascended Super Saiyan and Full Power Super Saiyan, and using the power of super saiyan god as a Super Saiyan.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16298: May 9th 2015 at 7:57:54 AM

It's not an assumption. Super Saiyan being a 50x multiplier isn't just noted for Goku's battle with Freeza, it's said to be what the form does.

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#16299: May 9th 2015 at 8:04:46 AM

I assume it's multiplicative because it stacks. It grows in strength as the user does.

Goku demonstrated this when he absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God, then became Super Saiyan God again for even more power.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16300: May 9th 2015 at 8:19:55 AM

[up][up] Where, when, and by whom?

Because it seems to contradict Toriyama's thing about Goku sticking to the base level and powering that up in the new movies and series.

edited 9th May '15 8:50:38 AM by unnoun


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