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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16251: May 8th 2015 at 7:24:37 AM

So, am I the only one who actually likes the concept of the Shadow Dragons? The idea of being over-reliant on Deus ex Machina coming back to bite you is interesting to me. There's even a bit of Foreshadowing in the manga that never pays off that being over-reliant on the Dragon Balls isn't a good thing, with how concerned Old Kai was about the issue.

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#16252: May 8th 2015 at 7:27:56 AM

Like most things about GT, it's a cool idea poorly executed.

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#16253: May 8th 2015 at 7:31:48 AM

A lot of things in GT could have been good honestly.

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#16254: May 8th 2015 at 7:35:32 AM

[up][up][up] I'll go one further and day I liked some of the Shadow Dragons' abilities. Haze's pollution trick, for example, was a good way to even the playing field without further escalation after all the power creep.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16255: May 8th 2015 at 7:42:41 AM

I liked the Shadow Dragons themselves, but their origin always bugged me. I'm glad they can't happen in canon now.

edited 8th May '15 7:44:15 AM by VeryMelon

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#16256: May 8th 2015 at 8:12:11 AM

I love the idea of the constant reliance on the Dragon Balls invoking some kind of Gaia's Vengeance adversary. The Dragon Balls themselves being the final villain feels appropriate.

I just didn't like the Shadow Dragons themselves, or their motivation; frankly, it would have been more personal if their goal had been to kill our protagonists as retribution for the constant abuse than omnicide. Or better yet, using the concept that each Dragon was created from a wish, each Dragon should be trying to unmake that wish, like a celestial repo agency. Or something like that, something that speaks to the mythology and history of the series.

The Shadow Dragons are a neat concept turned into an Excuse Plot to have a bunch of evil dudes doing evil stuff until they're beaten.

edited 8th May '15 8:15:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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#16257: May 8th 2015 at 8:22:51 AM

I don't like any part of the Shadow Dragons. The only value I see in the concept of a villain trying to get revenge for the dragon ball's usage is if they're portrayed as being completely wrong about it.

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#16258: May 8th 2015 at 8:33:55 AM

I mean, yea every wish on the Dragon Balls was a selfless one. But that still doesn't really change the fact the protagonists do kinda overuse them at their discretion.

Hell, it got to a point where the protagonists were(reluctantly) willing to let a mass murderer go on a spree because they knew they could just revive them later on.

I at least would have liked to see how it went. If the villain is portrayed completely wrong, then it kinda defeats the purpose of addressing the issue in the first place.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16259: May 8th 2015 at 8:38:42 AM

Well, that's assuming that overuse of the Dragon Balls is an issue. Yes, they used them a lot, but besides early on at the beginning of the series with Bulma it's not like any wish made is frivolous.

I suppose you could try and argue they got over dependent on them but I wouldn't buy it, seeing that they usually tried to prevent situations that would require them to use the Dragon Balls to fix things from happening in the first place. It just so happens that they failed most of the time.

edited 8th May '15 8:39:42 AM by LSBK

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#16260: May 8th 2015 at 8:39:30 AM

Not every wish. Demon King Piccolo made a wish for restored youth.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16261: May 8th 2015 at 8:41:00 AM

I was talking about use from our protagonist. Even then, I wouldn't call that wish "frivolous", terrible for the world yes, but his wish wasn't anywhere near as trivial as Bulma wanting to wish for a boyfriend or Oolong wishing for panties (albeit to save the world).

edited 8th May '15 8:41:43 AM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16262: May 8th 2015 at 8:45:55 AM

I wasn't talking to you. My post was for Black Yakuzu.

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#16264: May 8th 2015 at 9:01:35 AM

I kinda like the idea of the Shadow Dragons. The idea that even if done to help people, misusing the balls can have consequences is interesting to me.

Though I believe Saiga pointed out long ago that Old Supreme Kai knew about this drawback and never said a thing, which is a questionable move. I don't let that totally sink the idea for me, but I still see the problem with it.

Also, I find it personally funny that, the more selfless the wish, and the more it was meant to help people, the more evil and powerful the dragon was. Hence Nuova Shenron, the only dragon born of a completely selfish wish (restoring the youth of King Piccolo) is the least evil of the whole group.

As has already been said, GT had a good idea, but shit execution.

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#16266: May 8th 2015 at 10:01:48 AM

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#16267: May 8th 2015 at 1:09:48 PM

So I got the Whis outfits. They look good and I love Vegeta's, but I hate the stats. Luckily using Z-Souls and Super Vegeta 2 seem to offset the stat decrease. The wig is useless to me though. Maybe i'll give it to my Namekian, poor guy needs some hair.

Also, anyone else think Namekians and Asari would go good together? I dunno it just popped into my head while I was working.

edited 8th May '15 1:13:16 PM by Raven666

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16268: May 8th 2015 at 1:14:33 PM

I'll stick with Vegito's outfit for my Ki users. That way I don't have to sacrifice stats for looks.

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#16269: May 8th 2015 at 1:20:54 PM

I tend to ignore stat changes but since I plan to play online soon I feel like it'd be a good idea to pay attention to those damned arrows. Show me some green arrows! That's a reference.

edited 8th May '15 1:23:10 PM by Raven666

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16270: May 8th 2015 at 3:33:57 PM

@ Saiga: I don't see how the concept is flawed, as I said it's just building on Old Kai's little rant on the subject which is straight from the manga.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16271: May 8th 2015 at 4:44:42 PM

I don't think Saiga ever read the manga.

He's just a casual.

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#16272: May 8th 2015 at 4:51:40 PM

Saiga's never even had anything to do with Dragon Ball. He's just so good at bullshitting that we believe everything he says.

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#16273: May 8th 2015 at 5:07:25 PM

Oh man, Saiga they are on to you. I told you won't be able to keep this up forever!

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16274: May 8th 2015 at 5:07:53 PM

A review of Revival of F.

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edited 8th May '15 5:23:20 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#16275: May 8th 2015 at 5:23:03 PM

I knew he was screwing with us!!!!

Get the Torches and Pitchforks!!! It's Saiga hunting season!!!!

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