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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16226: May 7th 2015 at 8:10:34 PM

[up] Eh, I've always liked stories where the new generation surpasses the old.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16227: May 7th 2015 at 8:11:49 PM

Gohan does like helping people.

And being a dork.

I think he's trying to rap.

Oh my god I think he's trying to rap.

That is adorable.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16228: May 7th 2015 at 8:14:34 PM

The guy who made Toriyama create another villain wasn't his editor then, it was a past editor, I know, but he was still an editor at one point.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16229: May 7th 2015 at 8:15:17 PM

[up] It was advice from a friend, basically.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16230: May 7th 2015 at 8:15:21 PM

The new surpassing the old is overrated. Sometimes it happens, other times it doesn't, but in itself I don't think it means much. How it's done is what's important.

It was handled terribly in Naruto, for example.

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#16231: May 7th 2015 at 8:17:54 PM

And then there are situations where Older Is Better like in the Nasuverse.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16232: May 7th 2015 at 8:19:01 PM

The thing is, Goku gave a little speech at one point about how the new should surpass the old, but they never do.

Though he was actually referring to Goten and Trunks there.

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#16233: May 7th 2015 at 8:21:47 PM

Goku did a poor job siring a new generation to surpass the old.

Goten and Trunks were way too young to reasonably take Goku's mantle at the time Buu happened, while Gohan doesn't want the mantle and never has.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16234: May 7th 2015 at 8:27:11 PM

Uub might be a better choice, overall.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16235: May 7th 2015 at 8:45:48 PM

I really want to know where Toriyama was going with the high school drama angle, since that seemed to be another thing that was changed fairly last-minute. He even thought up some new supporting characters who, apart from Videl, spectacularly failed to do anything.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16236: May 7th 2015 at 8:56:28 PM

I never made the claim that souls regenerate.

Toriyama wouldn't be nice, he is pretty open about editorial pressure and has said he had a lenient editor during the Boo arc.

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#16237: May 7th 2015 at 9:24:45 PM

Correction correction: you die when a hollow eats you. Your reishi still exists, but the consciousness that was you is gone. Dead.

No, Pluses reincarnate. Shinigami become the reishi that makes up Soul Society. Kaien explained as much to Rukia.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#16238: May 7th 2015 at 9:29:48 PM

If killing Hollows freed all the souls as if they'd never been nommed, they wouldn't be as big a problem. They'd essentially just be kidnappers.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16239: May 7th 2015 at 9:30:42 PM

I'm sure that was said somewhere. Maybe it was just filler.

qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#16240: May 7th 2015 at 9:31:21 PM

[up][up] I find that much funnier than I should.

edited 7th May '15 9:31:36 PM by qtjinla15

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16241: May 7th 2015 at 9:37:24 PM

By the way, it it weird that I think Buu's Genocide Beam was a missed opportunity for a really, really dark cameo-fest? We only see some random nobodies dying, but presumably, the beams also got people like Bulma's parents, Pilaf, Crane Hermit and Tao, the Jingle villagers, Bora's tribe, assorted Tournament weirdoes... there was some serious potential for a good tumbling town tumbling down tumbling dooooooooown scene there.

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#16242: May 7th 2015 at 9:43:07 PM

It'd be hilarious to have the same characters cameo in the extinction attack and the genki dama donation.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16243: May 7th 2015 at 9:45:42 PM

The Spirit Bomb donation had some cameos, and the anime added a bunch more, including the long-awaited return of Launch.

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#16244: May 7th 2015 at 11:17:43 PM

This was from a while ago, but "Why people bought into Mr. Satan's lies":

The tournament was NEVER such a big deal. It was more of a thing for really, really dedicated martial arts buffs. I mean, sure, you got prize money for it, but it wasn't like everyone in the world cared.

The people who knew the truth were in the minority. And it wasn't like there was proof. Except the footage of the Cell Games, but Mr. Satan easily said that was faked.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16245: May 7th 2015 at 11:19:16 PM

I disagree with that; each tournament seemed like a huge deal to me. Passing it off as time works better than simply going "no one really cared" and even that doesn't work for me.

Edit: And didn't Mr. Satan become really famous for winning one in the first place? That goes against it not being a big deal write there.

edited 7th May '15 11:23:13 PM by LSBK

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#16246: May 7th 2015 at 11:39:19 PM

I'm mostly just basing this on the comparison between the 21st-23rd (when Goku participated), to the 25th (in the Buu Saga). The 25th is a LOT bigger and more popular, but Piccolo mentions its soul has gone because of that popularity.

It makes the other ones seem like more modest affairs.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#16247: May 8th 2015 at 12:18:08 AM

When Goku and the gang competed, the World Martial Arts Tournament was something that Martial Artists from all over the world knew about, but which wasn't big otherwise.

Basically, it's the kind of thing that is big with Martial Arts buffs, but the layman wouldn't know of it.

When Mr. Satan won, he had basically become the recognized 'strongest under the heavens', with certification of it. What followed next was a PR campaign painting him as the strongest man in the world. Then the Cell Games happened, and sent his fame from "the strongest guy in the world" to "the biggest most badass hero in the world".

Then all he had to do was use said fame to turn the WMAT into a massive spectacle. Hell, his mere participating in it would already make it much bigger than it ever was, because he is now a global celebrity. Ultimately, the WMAT itself isn't that big a deal, what made it that big was Mr. Satan and his PR Genius.

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#16248: May 8th 2015 at 4:56:23 AM

I dunno why but Mr. Satan and Mr. Torgue sound kinda the same to me. Do they have the same voice actor or something?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13329057350A22620100&page=647#16158 As for why I didn't like Abridged, it's because it just didn't catch my interest. Sure some jokes made me laugh but most of it was just 'whatever' to me. As I said, I can see why people enjoy it but it just wasn't for me.

Anyone else think it would've been hilarious if the Saiyan and Namek sagas took place last? Like the characters reached their end series power levels somehow but then everything from Raditz to Frieza happened. It'd be like a bunch of episodes of the heroes kicking everyone's ass like it was nothing. I'd like watching Krillin kicking Nappa's ass.

edited 8th May '15 5:36:19 AM by Raven666

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16249: May 8th 2015 at 6:30:43 AM

Mr. Satan won the 24th Tournament which we never see since none of the main characters competed. This was also apparently the first one in the new stadium since Piccolo blew up the old one.

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#16250: May 8th 2015 at 7:09:29 AM

Right. The old Tenkaichi Budokai didn't even have seats for the audience; people just sort of gaggled around the walls to see the fighters, while the Announcer narrated what was happening. Half the people attending probably never even saw the awesome super-attacks the Narrator was telling them were going on.

One might think Kame-sennin destroying the goddamn Moon would have made an awful lot of people take notice, but the fact that the Moon got better lends credibility to the idea that it was just an over-the-top special effect that they forgot to turn off for a few years.

We know that God put the Moon back, but they don't.

edited 8th May '15 7:10:48 AM by TobiasDrake

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