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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#16176: May 7th 2015 at 4:57:49 PM

Wait. Who trained Pan? Goten and Trunks trained together before Buu and both also trained with Gohan/Vegeta but I don't think the last chapter said if Pan had any training or if it was just pure talent.

edited 7th May '15 4:58:19 PM by LordofLore

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16177: May 7th 2015 at 5:01:50 PM

She seemed to have been training with her Grandpa Goku, mostly.

She had already been flying around the world. Trying to beat her best time.

...She also seems to have been training with her Grandpa Hercule. There's something of a gap there. But Goku did consider Hercule to be pretty good at the basics, so. And, I mean, he is. Hercule is faster than the naked eye, and can pull lines of buses without breaking a sweat. Hercule is, legitimately, strong. Superhuman, by the standards of real life. And he's durable as shit.

edited 7th May '15 5:05:48 PM by unnoun

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16179: May 7th 2015 at 5:04:59 PM

Also I love doting dad!Vegeta so much.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16180: May 7th 2015 at 5:06:46 PM

[up][up] No he didn't.

A GT guide said that.

Before the episode with an even more diluted Super Saiyan than Pan.

Also, Dragon Ball Online. Nyeh.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#16181: May 7th 2015 at 5:09:59 PM

So then is the thing about Toriyama not knowing how to draw a female Super Saiyan is true or not?

I mean, since a lot of stuff it was claimed he said has been disproven, I'm wondering about the legitimacy of this one as well.

Personally, I just think it's the usual Japanese attitude of short-changing its female characters for no other reasons then because they are female.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16182: May 7th 2015 at 5:11:02 PM

[up][up] Which is no longer a thing and such no longer counted.

edited 7th May '15 5:11:24 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16183: May 7th 2015 at 5:13:35 PM

I think Toriyama forgets the things he says sometimes.

I also think he doesn't give a shit.

I love how apathetic Toriyama is. There is a sort of artistry to it. He is in it for the money and he's not ashamed of that fact.

I think there is a sort of beauty in that.

[up] It still happened and when it happened it had Toriyama's input!

I mean, the original Dragon Ball Manga "isn't a thing" anymore so does that not count any longer?

The Saiyan saga "isn't a thing" any longer so is it retconned out of existence?

Your logic doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I can not think of any sane reason why something ending would be a reason for it not to exist any longer.

I propose an alternative: the only things that count are the things that end. The only things that count are the things that are no longer things.

And because nobody seems to want to let Dragon Ball rest, none of it counts.

Your precious manga? Doesn't count. The Daizenshus? Don't count. The new movies? Don't count.

I mean. When they declared the biblical canon it was because they decided that all the official inspired works were written and there could be no others. Fans didn't really start arguing about the Sherlock Holmes canon until Arthur Conan Doyle died.

Stories that are ongoing cannot have canons, by definition.

You cannot have a canon until you kill a story and nail its corpse to a tree.

edited 7th May '15 5:42:07 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16184: May 7th 2015 at 5:40:43 PM

…the servers were shut down, there is literally no way to play Online anymore, unlike everything else you said that we can still enjoy since we are physically capable of doing so.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16185: May 7th 2015 at 5:43:02 PM

The information is still out there. The scenes. People played it and they have memories.

Like verbal storytelling. Oral tradition.

And aside from that there's still screencaps and transcriptions.

edited 7th May '15 5:46:24 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#16186: May 7th 2015 at 5:46:31 PM

What story, the thing ended before we even got possibly halfway through whatever lore the game was trying to tell; Xenoverse II will most likely just do its own version of Online anyways, since there's a time span of 150 years between the two.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16187: May 7th 2015 at 5:48:52 PM

Question, if Dragon Ball had ended after Piccolo Jr, would it have not had a story?

If it had ended after Pilaf would it have not had a story?

Is that how you think serialized narrative works?

edited 7th May '15 5:57:20 PM by unnoun

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#16188: May 7th 2015 at 5:54:34 PM

I love how apathetic Toriyama is. There is a sort of artistry to it. He is in it for the money and he's not ashamed of that fact.
That's why I love Soulja Boy smile . And coincidentally, he looks just like Goku.

edited 7th May '15 5:56:01 PM by DoctorDiabolical

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16189: May 7th 2015 at 5:57:11 PM

Poor Supreme Kai, he's so ineffectual.

And while I know Power Creep is endemic to fighting shonen, having the main characters surpass literal gods was a bit much, no?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16190: May 7th 2015 at 5:58:48 PM

The gods.

Of gods.

Of other gods.

I feel the distinction is important.

Goku surpassed God in the original series. Well. Kami.

Then he trained with the Lord of Worlds and surpassed him.

And then he turned Super Saiyan and had the Lord of Lords shitting himself.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16191: May 7th 2015 at 6:03:58 PM

I was gong to contest the use of Power Creep as a trope here, but after looking at the laconic I decided it was close enough.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#16192: May 7th 2015 at 6:11:17 PM

Also, poor Dabura. I feel like he had a lot of untapped potential. He's got an awesome design, is allegedly as strong as Cell, is ruler of another plane we don't even get to see, and what's his role? Forgettable henchman. tongue

At least he got a happy ending in filler.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16193: May 7th 2015 at 6:12:35 PM

Yes. Being brainwashed without his consent into enjoying everything that happens to him and completely altering his personality as to be downright unrecognizable. Happy.

See, what I liked most about that filler is how cruel it was.

edited 7th May '15 6:17:09 PM by unnoun

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#16194: May 7th 2015 at 6:13:26 PM

Well, technically it IS "happy". Just in an unsettling way.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16195: May 7th 2015 at 6:16:05 PM

I don't think he was supposed to be brainwashed into enjoying it. He was sent to heaven specifically because King Yemma thought he would hate it. I think him loving everything was just supposed to be funny.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16196: May 7th 2015 at 6:27:56 PM

So why wasn't King Kai brought back to life by the wish that restored everyone killed by Cell?

I mean, Goku had already been brought back before, so.

...I mean, I guess King Kai was technically killed more by Goku than by Cell.

Of course, if the wish brings people back where they died, then Android 17 should have been brought back to life in Otherworld.

edited 7th May '15 6:32:11 PM by unnoun

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#16197: May 7th 2015 at 6:30:05 PM

I think he chose not to come back?

Imagine if that negated the whole wish?

"I cannot grant that wish. There is one asshole who doesn't want to come back, just to spite everyone else."

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16198: May 7th 2015 at 6:32:37 PM

Wait, Buu only absorbed two Supreme Kais, so what happened to the other two? West and North?

They can't die in Otherworld. That would be stupid.

Why didn't they just stay there but with a halo?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#16199: May 7th 2015 at 6:33:29 PM

Buu killed them, then killed their halo version immediately? tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16200: May 7th 2015 at 6:34:21 PM

You can die in other world. When Vegeta is fighting Kid Buu while dead Goku tells him that if he dies again he'll cease to exist.

Though, they weren't dead, so maybe Buu saw he killed them, then saw their ghosts and killed them again.


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