She seemed to have been training with her Grandpa Goku, mostly.
She had already been flying around the world. Trying to beat her best time.
...She also seems to have been training with her Grandpa Hercule. There's something of a gap there. But Goku did consider Hercule to be pretty good at the basics, so. And, I mean, he is. Hercule is faster than the naked eye, and can pull lines of buses without breaking a sweat. Hercule is, legitimately, strong. Superhuman, by the standards of real life. And he's durable as shit.
edited 7th May '15 5:05:48 PM by unnoun
So then is the thing about Toriyama not knowing how to draw a female Super Saiyan is true or not?
I mean, since a lot of stuff it was claimed he said has been disproven, I'm wondering about the legitimacy of this one as well.
Personally, I just think it's the usual Japanese attitude of short-changing its female characters for no other reasons then because they are female.
One Strip! One Strip!I think Toriyama forgets the things he says sometimes.
I also think he doesn't give a shit.
I love how apathetic Toriyama is. There is a sort of artistry to it. He is in it for the money and he's not ashamed of that fact.
I think there is a sort of beauty in that.
It still happened and when it happened it had Toriyama's input!
I mean, the original Dragon Ball Manga "isn't a thing" anymore so does that not count any longer?
The Saiyan saga "isn't a thing" any longer so is it retconned out of existence?
Your logic doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I can not think of any sane reason why something ending would be a reason for it not to exist any longer.
I propose an alternative: the only things that count are the things that end. The only things that count are the things that are no longer things.
And because nobody seems to want to let Dragon Ball rest, none of it counts.
Your precious manga? Doesn't count. The Daizenshus? Don't count. The new movies? Don't count.
I mean. When they declared the biblical canon it was because they decided that all the official inspired works were written and there could be no others. Fans didn't really start arguing about the Sherlock Holmes canon until Arthur Conan Doyle died.
Stories that are ongoing cannot have canons, by definition.
You cannot have a canon until you kill a story and nail its corpse to a tree.
edited 7th May '15 5:42:07 PM by unnoun
What story, the thing ended before we even got possibly halfway through whatever lore the game was trying to tell; Xenoverse II will most likely just do its own version of Online anyways, since there's a time span of 150 years between the two.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!edited 7th May '15 5:56:01 PM by DoctorDiabolical
Poor Supreme Kai, he's so ineffectual.
And while I know Power Creep is endemic to fighting shonen, having the main characters surpass literal gods was a bit much, no?
I was gong to contest the use of Power Creep as a trope here, but after looking at the laconic I decided it was close enough.
So why wasn't King Kai brought back to life by the wish that restored everyone killed by Cell?
I mean, Goku had already been brought back before, so.
...I mean, I guess King Kai was technically killed more by Goku than by Cell.
Of course, if the wish brings people back where they died, then Android 17 should have been brought back to life in Otherworld.
edited 7th May '15 6:32:11 PM by unnoun

Wait. Who trained Pan? Goten and Trunks trained together before Buu and both also trained with Gohan/Vegeta but I don't think the last chapter said if Pan had any training or if it was just pure talent.
edited 7th May '15 4:58:19 PM by LordofLore