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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#16051: May 6th 2015 at 7:18:08 AM

maybe it was just a 1.5x buff,like the average Pokemon buffing move.

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#16052: May 6th 2015 at 7:45:23 AM

I think it's just redundant phrasing. Goku was still at the stage in his career where he announced the Kaioken, as opposed to passively using it. Between chapters 228 and 229, Goku goes from glowing red aura back to Base appearance during a calm moment. Shortly after, Vegeta starts wrecking his shit again, and Goku triggers the Kaioken x2; but his appearance implies he wasn't using Kaioken prior to that.

So it's just a different way of saying Kaioken. When he calls x2, he's just turning the Kaioken back on, after having shut it down - presumably to conserve stamina, given the damage it does to his body - while Vegeta was showing off by blowing away the clouds with his aura.

This isn't the last time he does something like that; on Namek, a point is made about Goku flaring up his battle power during exchanges and then reducing it at pauses in the action. He likes to only use his full power in split-second bursts, which is one of the ways Goku applies his experience and mental discipline to accomplish more with less.

edited 6th May '15 7:48:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#16053: May 6th 2015 at 8:09:16 AM

Yeah. The Ginyu Force made a point of repeatedly stating that Goku's power level was so low and yet he was absolutely wrecking their shit. It's interesting to note that the bursts of power were so fast that not only did the scouters not register them but Krillin and Gohan couldn't feel them either.

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#16054: May 6th 2015 at 10:01:13 AM

Social Services in the Dragon Ball universe are hardcore. They went at the homeless kids like a swat team. Gohan only got away 'cause the biggest kid there stole a goddamn car to get away.

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#16055: May 6th 2015 at 1:31:12 PM

So maybe the Social Services did run into Goku once, and decided to up their game after he wrecked their shit.

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#16056: May 6th 2015 at 1:34:53 PM

I actually had an idea for a fic like that once. But the family that picked Goku up was the Briefs. :p

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#16057: May 6th 2015 at 1:36:21 PM

Not so far from what actually happened.

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#16058: May 6th 2015 at 1:46:40 PM

Speaking of Goku, anyone else think that it's an exaggeration to say he's stupid? He's at the very least a quite capable tactician, ferreting out the weaknesses of Tien's duplication ability after just seeing it one, among other things. I don't think he's unintelligent, but a combination of his Saiyan genes and his upbringing make him a bit... off in normal society.

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#16059: May 6th 2015 at 1:51:12 PM

Goku is grossly uneducated, socially incompetent, lacks critical thinking skills, makes consistently terrible and often selfish choices, and is an utterly brilliant fighting savant. He and fighting just click. He analyzes and understands the moves and abilities of others almost instantly, effortlessly teaches himself attacks that are supposed to take years or even decades to master, and grows at an absolutely phenomenal rate that far outstrips everyone around him.

Vegeta also shares these traits. It's a Saiyan thing.

Between the two, Goku's advantage is that he grew up constantly being challenged from new directions and had to learn to think around his foes. Vegeta grew up being the Top Shit, comfortable in the fact that he's the almighty Vegeta; all he had to learn was to smash people in the face with as much brute force as possible.

edited 6th May '15 1:55:17 PM by TobiasDrake

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#16060: May 6th 2015 at 1:57:11 PM

So how would things have changed if Bulma never decided to hunt for the Dragon Balls? I know Goku would've probably stayed in the mountains thus never having kids or getting much stronger but really what else? I think Goku would've ended up going with Raditz and then most likely getting killed because he was weak as shit.

Feels kinda funny to say Goku's weak as shit. I mean he was but when one typically thinks of Goku, one thinks of him kicking everyone's ass.

edited 6th May '15 1:58:18 PM by Raven666

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#16061: May 6th 2015 at 2:29:09 PM

It's very likely that the Red Ribbon Army would've run into Goku at some point, and while it's likely that they could just kill him, at the stage of the game he would've run into them, Goku would be very easily fooled into joining the Red Ribbon Army.

Then a tall Commander Red would've conquered the world.

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#16062: May 6th 2015 at 2:48:52 PM

So is Goku's Saiyan beyond God state supposed to be as strong as his Super Saiyan God form from the last movie or weaker?

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#16063: May 6th 2015 at 2:49:04 PM

[up][up] Even if he wasn't, he wouldn't be a match for General Blue or any of the forces they had in Muscle Tower.

Goku might have given the RRA some trouble in this scenario, but they would be able to overpower him even without paying off Tao Pai Pai.

edited 6th May '15 2:49:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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#16064: May 6th 2015 at 2:49:26 PM

I think Vegeta has less brain damage than Goku.

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#16065: May 6th 2015 at 2:51:04 PM

Goku fell down a cliff and smashed his head on a rock. Vegeta fell down the power tier chart and smashed his head on his own ego.

Goku makes his decisions under the influence of brain damage. Vegeta makes his under the influence of Vegeta.

edited 6th May '15 2:51:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#16066: May 6th 2015 at 2:55:46 PM

Goku might have more brain damage, but Vegeta has the bigger mental handicap, on account of being Vegeta.

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#16067: May 6th 2015 at 5:11:25 PM

Speaking of Vegeta, I'm through the Saiyan Saga now. The Nappa fight was a bit tedious, since every chapter seemed to end with him No Selling the heroes' attacks, but the Vegeta fight was pretty cool. I liked that Krillin, Gohan, and even Yajirobe all made major contributions.

I've heard that this was originally yet another planned ending for the series, and Vegeta was going to die when Great Ape Gohan squished him. I can sort of see this; note King Kai doesn't mention Vegeta and Nappa have a boss until after the fight is over.

edited 6th May '15 5:11:36 PM by HamburgerTime

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#16068: May 6th 2015 at 5:25:48 PM

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is literally just turning Super Saiyan with gold ki, so by definition it is stronger than regular Saiyan God.

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#16069: May 6th 2015 at 6:42:08 PM

[up][up]Most if not all the 'planned ending' rumors are completely made up.

Toriyama wrote by the seat of his pants. He didn't mention Freeza because up until Namek, Freeza didn't exist.

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#16070: May 6th 2015 at 6:46:51 PM

[up] I know, I'm saying he made up Frieza once he decided Vegeta wouldn't be the Final Boss after all.

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#16071: May 6th 2015 at 8:06:12 PM

Kaio-ken and Kaio-ken x 2 are the same as Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 1.

The unnumbered name refers to the overall series of forms and the first level, which in Kaio-ken is x2.

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#16072: May 6th 2015 at 8:07:28 PM

Alas, poor Guldo, Recoome, and Burter, I knew them.

Though really I did feel surprisingly bad for them.

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#16073: May 6th 2015 at 8:08:35 PM

Because they're entertaining. You're sad they're gone because DBZ is a series in which so long as you're entertaining, you will be liked by the fans, no matter how much of a monster you are.

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#16074: May 6th 2015 at 8:56:38 PM

Vegeta finishing off Burter and Recoome while they were unconscious was ice-cold even for him. Particularly the utterly nonchalant Neck Snap to Burter.

edited 6th May '15 8:56:45 PM by HamburgerTime

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#16075: May 6th 2015 at 8:57:44 PM

You can't say that making him hum Tetris was nonchalant.

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