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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15876: May 3rd 2015 at 12:44:54 PM

There are times when I vastly prefer shipping to discussion of power levels.

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#15877: May 3rd 2015 at 12:46:54 PM

What about shipping Power Levels? Personally, I ship Goku's Power Level with Yamcha's. The vast difference between the two just creates such a wonderful dynamic.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15878: May 3rd 2015 at 12:56:06 PM

I think the family bond with Grandpa Gohan and Goku was sweet.

I adore Goku's reactions with little Pan at the end of the series.

Vegeta's relationship with his family is. Interesting. That's a good word.

The friendship between Mr. Buu and Hercule is fun and cute.

Basically. I really actually hate the way this series gets boiled down to just being neverending fighting. The fighting is fun, sure. I love a lot of the fight scenes, they're well-done and interesting. But if that's all there was it would be meaningless. There would be nothing worth fighting for.

This series has adventure, and comedy, and character moments with characters that are one-note or simplified in some ways but gain depth through their interactions and relationships with each other.

edited 3rd May '15 12:59:13 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15879: May 3rd 2015 at 3:11:25 PM

What you described above is part of the reason why a lot of people should get punched every time they say that there were no important/relevant females in Dragon Ball, becuase the series is not just about trading punches at superspeed.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15880: May 3rd 2015 at 3:17:36 PM

I do think there should have been more females in the fighting, because that's what most people remember as taking up the series, and because I do think the division of labor was kind of fucked up.

The ways the series treats female characters compared to male characters isn't equal, and not always okay.

...But you are right that the emphasis on fighting from many fans only and often serves to further de-emphasize and diminish what role the female characters do play. And that's even worse.

edited 3rd May '15 3:18:13 PM by unnoun

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15881: May 3rd 2015 at 4:42:10 PM

I really think 18 should've joined in the fights more often. I think she could've at least taken Babidi's below-Dabura men.

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#15882: May 3rd 2015 at 4:43:56 PM

And/or set up overpowered long-charge attacks.

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#15883: May 3rd 2015 at 5:49:34 PM

I do think there should have been more females in the fighting, because that's what most people remember as taking up the series, and because I do think the division of labor was kind of fucked up.

The ways the series treats female characters compared to male characters isn't equal, and not always okay.

...But you are right that the emphasis on fighting from many fans only and often serves to further de-emphasize and diminish what role the female characters do play. And that's even worse.

I agree with all of this.

As an example, given how little actual story presence either character has, it's easy to forget that Dr. Gero was the Big Bad of the Cell Saga, and Future Bulma the Big Good. Everything that happened was a direct consequence of Dr. Gero and Bulma's intellects. Gero put his faith in his androids, Bulma in Saiyan awesomeness.

edited 3rd May '15 5:52:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15884: May 3rd 2015 at 6:23:46 PM

I do think there should've been females in the fighting, as well.

Both because there's no real reason not to and because I still wanna see a female SSJ. Xenoverse gets close to granting my desires, but it doesn't, not quite at least.

I wish Xenoverse let us choose what SSJ hair looks like, and that it wasn't just a haircolor change.

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#15885: May 3rd 2015 at 7:52:41 PM

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Well that's Japan and Toriyama.

He says he wouldn't know what a female super saiyan looks like, but considering the casual sexism that permeates Manga, I have my doubts.

Look what happened to 18 in the most recent movie. I desperately looked for some kind of rationalization, but in the end, it's simply she's a girl so stay home and watch the kids.

Hell, recall the very first female fighter in the series Ranfan.

That's the best he could think up for her.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15886: May 3rd 2015 at 7:56:43 PM

Fun fact: Way back before the "Z" portion even started, Toriyama gave an interview that fleshed out some of the minor tournament opponents. Among the details was that Ranfan is married. Her husband's name? Trunks.

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#15888: May 3rd 2015 at 7:59:03 PM

Competitor in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament who uses her good looks and the guise that she is a defenseless woman as a weapon.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#15889: May 3rd 2015 at 7:59:42 PM

Ah, I vaguely remember her now.

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#15890: May 3rd 2015 at 8:00:04 PM

[up]What gets me is it's Krillin who tells her to stay home. It really should have been reversed, but what can you do?

DBZ in general had problems with the whole "Quarter-Back Syndrome" where only Goku, and to a lesser degree Vegeta and Gohan, could save the day.

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#15891: May 3rd 2015 at 8:10:53 PM

[up] Krillin, Piccolo, and even Tien were still getting pretty cool moments as late as Cell.

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#15892: May 3rd 2015 at 8:45:24 PM

Krillin should learn the Spirit Bomb (hey, he threw one once. Just needs to learn how to gather one) and use it alongside 18. While everyone else is busy duking it out with Mr. Sir Whoever, the two of them are building a big-enough bomb for whatever needs killing.

Of course, that's assuming 18 can't just cut out the middleman.

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#15893: May 3rd 2015 at 8:49:40 PM

I think the family interactions of Vegeta, Bulma, Trunks and eventually Bra are one of the most interesting aspects of DBZ that they never explored. I want to see more of inside their household. And not just because of stupiddoomdoodles's tumblr. It's just because it feels like a family that's both very different and very real at the same time.

Like, there are plenty of families with a deadbeat dad and a workaholic mum. The difference here is the dad is also an alien who spends his entire time training, and the mum owns one of the richest companies in the world.

Re: Female Characters - the problem was while some female characters did do something, you also had characters like Chi-Chi, who were seen as HARMFUL to the overall plot.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#15894: May 3rd 2015 at 9:00:36 PM

You're surprised that a series in which explosive frotting saves the universe has a substantial shipping community?

What's precedent ever done for us?
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15895: May 3rd 2015 at 9:13:20 PM

[up][up] With Chi-Chi I think that's one case where the fans are more sexist than Toriyama. Because how dare she not want her child to risk his life against genocidal aliens, godlike androids, or worse. Her child that doesn't even like to fight.

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#15896: May 3rd 2015 at 9:16:15 PM

[up][up]That's Sean's best non-screamy work, in my opinion. The way he says "THEY CAN'T EVEN DIE" just gets you right in the feelspot.

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#15897: May 3rd 2015 at 9:23:31 PM

[up][up]I don't think that's the part that gets (most) people down on her; it's that a lot of the time she seemed unable or unwilling to understand that anything could be more important that Gohan studying.

Her reaction to Goku sending Gohan to fight Cell or not wanting Goten to fight Buu are completely understandable, less so when she more or less says "Studying is more important than the planet!" which I'm pretty sure she more or less did say at some point.

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#15898: May 3rd 2015 at 9:26:38 PM

So, when they fused, did Goku's alive status just overwrite Vegeta's dead status? Note that Vegito has no halo.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15899: May 3rd 2015 at 9:27:15 PM

I still think it's weird that she'd get that personality given that she used to be a fighter.

Made it to the finals even.

I can understand not wanting to train Gohan initially because four years old.

But she does seem to loosen up later, I guess.

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#15900: May 3rd 2015 at 9:35:46 PM

I think her unwillingness to train Gohan stems more, initially, from Gohan's own unwillingness to train combined with her overprotective nature.

Then, her first introduction to Gohan training was Gohan getting kidnapped by the man who'd tried to murder her husband AFTER he'd murdered her husband succesfully for an entire year.

Her experiences with Gohan and training are not good.

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