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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15851: May 2nd 2015 at 1:57:48 PM

Son Goku is literally how the Japanese translate Sun Wukong.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15853: May 2nd 2015 at 2:11:41 PM

Saiyuki Son Goku is better.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15854: May 2nd 2015 at 3:49:28 PM

Yeah I always write Kaio because I don't know how to do the proper accent on my computer and know I can't do it on my phone.

I have thought about just going with Kaiou, Makankousappou, etc but I'm used to reading it with the accent.

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
#15855: May 2nd 2015 at 7:25:14 PM

So where can I find more info on the new DBZ series coming out??

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#15856: May 2nd 2015 at 8:03:23 PM

Kanzenshuu.

But, right now, there is hardly any information available. And, if stuff is released, I'm sure this thread will be talking about it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15857: May 2nd 2015 at 9:27:58 PM

You know, DB got its start with one of the biggest Excuse Plots I've ever seen. It's all really about a rather despicable teenage girl trying to abuse the power cosmic to find a boyfriend. They bump into a bunch of weird people whose problems they solve essentially by pure coincidence, and in the end the team pervert's love of underwear saves the day. If the manga had ended there, it'd have been a hilarious, hilarious wash.

edited 2nd May '15 9:29:16 PM by HamburgerTime

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15858: May 2nd 2015 at 11:24:45 PM

I don't see how that would be a bad thing at all, actually.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#15859: May 3rd 2015 at 5:01:18 AM

You know, I really like how Future Trunks was handled in the story. When he shows up, he basically hijacks the plot and takes the award for "Biggest badass ever". But when he comes back, his flaws are shown to everyone, and he doesn't get to act that cool again. But he does something very important in the story, and that's to facilitate Vegeta's Character Development. And then, once all is said and done, he goes back to his own time, becomes the hero of that story, and NEVER COMES BACK.

It's kind of ballsy for Toriyama to write him out like that and replace him with a Bratty Half-Pint. Like, wasn't Future Trunks a really popular character? And yet they didn't bring him back.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#15860: May 3rd 2015 at 6:10:27 AM

Future Trunks is, indeed, very well loved. That's why he keeps coming back in video games.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15861: May 3rd 2015 at 9:37:32 AM

I was surprised at how, for lack of a better term, ineffectual Future Trunks ultimately was. After Frieza he basically does nothing but Worf.

Speaking of Worfs, Yamcha's been basically Worfing since day one. In the Tournament Saga he didn't even manage to hit Roshi!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#15862: May 3rd 2015 at 10:07:08 AM

I never understood how Future Trunks could ever be possibly considered a Gary Sue. Sure at first he looks all badass taking down Frieza and King Cold but then when Goku shows up he's immediately shown to not be anywhere near his level. And then we he reveals the reason he even came there to begin with it's obvious he couldn't fix everything himself.

That he's not this perfect archetype only becomes more apparent after he shows up again.

edited 3rd May '15 10:07:24 AM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15863: May 3rd 2015 at 10:07:22 AM

Future Trunks was never introduced as someone who would win the day.

He was always merely there to help the heroes win the day. That was his express purpose for coming back. He also doesn't count as a 'worf'. The one who had that role in the entirety of the androids arc was Vegeta. Yeah, Trunks fired off the Worf Barrage, but the one who got his ass kicked to show how badass the androids are was Vegeta, as per Dragon Ball custom.

Future Trunks did his thing and then went back to his time, where he killed 17, 18 and Cell, and then went on to become a Time Patroller who screams HEY everytime he meets someone, and I'm waiting for TFS to make that an actual joke in DBZA.

The point is, Trunks is proof that there's no idea too dumb to do well. He's actually got kind of a Mary Sue introduction. He's a time traveller, descendant from two of the main characters (and they are the 'cool bad boy rebel' and the 'super genius beauty', at that), a Super Saiyan at a time when we thought Goku was the only one, he easily curbstomped Freeza and his father, wields a sword...

Basically, I can see where people could get the idea that Future Trunks is a Mary Sue character. Looked at on paper, his introduction isn't too dissimilar from how a crappy writer might introduce their Mary Sue OC.

edited 3rd May '15 10:10:49 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#15864: May 3rd 2015 at 10:08:44 AM

Is DBGT now non-canon?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#15865: May 3rd 2015 at 10:10:09 AM

Honestly, I think a good deal of the love for Future Trunks stems from both his absolutely glorious intro and History of Trunks. But probably mostly his intro.

[up] GT was never non-canon. GT is simply an AU.

edited 3rd May '15 10:10:37 AM by Zelenal

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15866: May 3rd 2015 at 10:12:25 AM

A lot of the love for Future Trunks actually stems from everything about him. If he'd just been a badass, he would've been... Kinda boring, actually. But being both capable of badassery as well as failure is what makes him a well rounded character, and it's what makes us like him.

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#15867: May 3rd 2015 at 10:15:48 AM

I vastly prefer Future Trunks to normal Trunks.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#15868: May 3rd 2015 at 10:17:28 AM

[up][up] I love practically everything about Future Trunks as well. I was just giving a possible reason for a fair chunk of his popularity.

[up] I'm pretty sure just about everyone does.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15869: May 3rd 2015 at 10:20:20 AM

I've heard some people say that Vegeta didn't really love Future Trunks, and blew up at Cell for some other reason. Where does that impression come from? At least in the translation I read, it definitely seemed like he cared.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#15870: May 3rd 2015 at 10:23:17 AM

People being idiots. He had no reason for his rampage against Cell other than the fact that he just killed Trunks.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#15871: May 3rd 2015 at 10:24:46 AM

Something about how Cell killing Future Trunks hurt Vegeta's pride or something like that.

edited 3rd May '15 10:24:59 AM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15872: May 3rd 2015 at 10:29:36 AM

Of course it hurt his pride.

That's his son. You're fucking with his shit. And he knows he can't do shit about it due to how weak he is compared to Cell. Does it hurt his pride? Immensely.

I imagine his pride was also hurt by the fact that he'd actually grown to give a damn about Trunks.

The point is, yes, Vegeta's pride was hurt. Was that the reason why he blew up at Cell? No. Not at all. Vegeta's pride has been hurt before by superior opponents. Freeza systematically destroyed it bit by bit. But all the rage from that didn't change the fact that Vegeta was scared shitless of those superior opponents, and his wounded pride was never enough to provoke him into a rage big enough to forget that.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15873: May 3rd 2015 at 10:55:33 AM

By the way, I'm amused how long DB's entry on Die for Our Ship is. You'd never think a series like this would attract shippers.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#15874: May 3rd 2015 at 10:59:31 AM

Are they shipping people's fists with other people's faces or something?

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15875: May 3rd 2015 at 10:59:33 AM

you could write a series of genderless blobs and it'd still attract shippers.


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