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#15776: May 1st 2015 at 12:59:27 PM

His chances of surviving the spontaneous annihilation of the planet were better than his chances of surviving a prolonged fight with Super Saiyan Goku, and he knew it. That's why he blew up the planet in the first place; it was his attempt to ragequit the fight by abusing his ability to survive in space where Goku could not.

If he had enough confidence in his ability to win the fight to hold back on destroying the planet so he could kill Goku at his leisure and escape, he wouldn't have done it in the first place. There's no reason for him to have deliberately invoked the five minute time limit, and IIRC even Frieza acknowledges he screwed up.

edited 1st May '15 1:01:24 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15777: May 1st 2015 at 1:02:50 PM

Except he did hold back, Frieza says so himself.

Even then all of this is pointless since Frieza flat out survived the planet exploding, while being close to the core, and being cut in half, and while having barely any ki left.

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#15778: May 1st 2015 at 1:03:28 PM

I think Frieza needs to eat and sleep. And his spaceship is capable of faster flight than he himself is. And while solar radiation and space debris won't kill him immediately, it'd still be a bitch to deal with.

So.

Frieza survived and needed his dad to pick him up from the rubble.

He probably would have died eventually if left there.

edited 1st May '15 1:04:10 PM by unnoun

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#15779: May 1st 2015 at 1:06:02 PM

Just checked and yes, Frieza expresses frustration at his failure to destroy the planet, complaining that he held back too much power. He had every intention of blowing it up in one shot, but the tiny Death Ball he made was not up to task.

edited 1st May '15 1:08:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15780: May 1st 2015 at 1:09:34 PM

He probably wanted to save some of his energy for the long, embarrassing, no, humiliating trip home.

That would make sense.

That's what he would have been holding back for. So he'd still have some energy in reserve.

edited 1st May '15 1:10:18 PM by unnoun

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#15781: May 1st 2015 at 1:10:40 PM

Off topic I know but does anyone here play Xenoverse on Playstation 4? If I have money after pre-ordering Battlefront 3 and Lego Jurassic World - unless it's out in which case i'll be buying it - i'm probably getting PS+ and wanted to know if there was anyone who I might occasionally be able to spar with. I predict I will lose a lot at first. Maybe i'll lose slightly less after developing strategies for real opponents.

edited 1st May '15 1:11:49 PM by Raven666

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#15782: May 1st 2015 at 1:10:50 PM

Or he panicked and didn't spend as much time making the Ball as he needed. Frieza can't sense energy. He may not fully understand exactly how much power is needed to destroy a planet, and he was trying to do it quickly while he had the element of surprise. He might not even be 100% aware of how much power his attacks even have beyond "Lots" and "A smidge".

Which would also support the theory that his Giant Death Balls aren't fully necessary, as he may be inclined to favor overkill in those situations where he is completely in control and can take the time to be thorough.

edited 1st May '15 1:14:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15783: May 1st 2015 at 1:13:05 PM

[up][up]I do play it on PS 4, but sadly, it ain't mine, and it ain't got PS+, so no yays from me.

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#15784: May 1st 2015 at 1:14:59 PM

Frieza has precision attacks like the Death Beam and overkill and not a lot in between.

Still better than Vegeta, at least.

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#15785: May 1st 2015 at 1:17:41 PM

Pretty much. Musing on it, Frieza's complete and utter ignorance as to the relative difference in powers between things explains a lot.

Like his final suicidal attack on Goku. Frieza doesn't know how strong Goku is. For all he knows, Goku could be anywhere between exactly his equal and 5x his superior. All he has to go on is Goku's battle performance, and he errs on the side of ego because he's accustomed to being the strongest thing in the universe. Being surpassed isn't really a thing that seems possible to him.

Frieza doesn't know how much power Goku gave him. He doesn't know how much Goku has left. He doesn't even know how much power is in the attack he's launching, besides "all of it". He honestly thinks that can work because he doesn't know.

edited 1st May '15 1:18:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15786: May 1st 2015 at 1:19:41 PM

I'm not sure if the idea of Frieza not comprehending how much power he puts into his attacks works seeing as he's apparently able to perfectly adjust the percentage he's able to use at a time.

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#15787: May 1st 2015 at 1:21:10 PM

Fair point.

He knows the precise fraction of his power that he's using at a given time, he just can't identify the power of his target without a Scouter. He can make his own internal adjustments but can't judge on sight what he actually should be using

edited 1st May '15 1:23:19 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15788: May 1st 2015 at 1:22:21 PM

I think he's guessing a little bit with the precise numbers of himself thing.

I mean, yeah, his 100% thing is almost a transformation in itself so that's probably accurate, but.

...Has Frieza learned how to sense energy after four months of training?

edited 1st May '15 1:23:11 PM by unnoun

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#15789: May 1st 2015 at 1:25:08 PM

Frieza's ignorance of ki sensing is his Achilles' Heel.

Which is also why the Kaioken x20 Kamehameha caught him so offguard. He hasn't been gauging Goku's battle power and was completely unprepared for Goku to suddenly double, only raising himself to 70% as it hit him when he realized he wasn't strong enough.

Betcha if he could sense ki, he would have been able to dodge that homing kienzan as it came up behind him.

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#15790: May 1st 2015 at 1:25:17 PM

Controlling their own power based on their physical form is a trait of Freeza's species. It's likely that he can't, however, control it in other ways.

Freeza doesn't 'hold back' so much as he transforms his body in such a way that he only has a certain percentage of his power available.

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#15791: May 1st 2015 at 1:26:34 PM

No, Frieza's real problem is he never asked himself the most important question of all. Is he pretty enough for a man?

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#15792: May 1st 2015 at 1:26:58 PM

I made a Frieza Clan person in Xenoverse and I don't give them a scouter and I still press the thing on the d-pad to scan enemies, so.

I don't think it's impossible for Frieza to sense energy naturally.

[up] I think Frieza's race reproduces asexually.

edited 1st May '15 1:27:22 PM by unnoun

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#15793: May 1st 2015 at 1:29:52 PM

[up]Joke. An American Dad joke if I remember correctly.

edited 1st May '15 1:30:48 PM by LSBK

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#15794: May 1st 2015 at 1:31:05 PM

[up]You remember correctly.

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#15795: May 1st 2015 at 1:37:07 PM

It's probably not impossible, he's just never learned it.

He never had to, really. In addition to the fact that Scouters are a technological crutch that prevents the people in his civilization - in this case, the galactic trade organization - from needing to discover ki sensing, Frieza especially has no need for it when even his most power-reduced form is more than 4x as strong as the next strongest person in the universe.

To Frieza, there is only one battle power, and that is "Weaker than me". The only use he has for ki-sensing is finding people, and he has tech that handles that just fine.

EDIT: It also merits noting that Goku had to learn ki-sensing from God's personal attendant. Unlike bukujutsu or ki generation, ki-sensing might be a super-obscure ability that we've just become spoiled by due to all of our protagonists having eventually learned it.

edited 1st May '15 1:39:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15796: May 1st 2015 at 2:22:30 PM

Y'know, as rare as Super Saiyans supposedly are until the present, I think it's interesting how seemingly rare good-hearted ones are until the series. What with the Super Saiyan God and all.

Although, I guess Gine and Tarble fit the bill.

Kakarot, funnily enough, almost certainly wouldn't have if left to his own devices on Earth. Maybe if he'd stayed with his mother, but only if they got away from Saiyan culture.

Goku needed a traumatic brain injury to become a good person. That's sorta really messed up.

I mean, what Vegeta needed was for his precious pride to be systematically and completely crushed.

And I do think Vegeta did more or less end up on the "good" side of things by the end. Porunga brought him back with all the other "good" people who died after the tournament.

edited 1st May '15 2:28:54 PM by unnoun

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#15797: May 1st 2015 at 2:26:24 PM

Goku isn't a good person.

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#15798: May 1st 2015 at 2:28:28 PM

Not a fundamentally pure messaiah, but.

I mean. The point of the Super Saiyan God ritual is that it needs Saiyans with a righteous heart.

Yeah, Toriyama loves his flawed protagonists. And Goku is deeply flawed.

But he didn't, y'know, purposefully murder everyone around him in a systematic genocide. Making him better than Kakarot would have been.

edited 1st May '15 2:30:09 PM by unnoun

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#15799: May 1st 2015 at 2:30:47 PM

maybe it's by Saiyan standards.

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#15800: May 1st 2015 at 2:31:45 PM

Speaking of Super Saiyans, is it true that the "Only one every 1000 years" thing was a Dub-Induced Plot Hole?

edited 1st May '15 2:31:55 PM by HamburgerTime


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