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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15726: May 1st 2015 at 9:22:43 AM

I mean, when I heard the j-pop song for the first time, during a trailer, it came right after F and it was really jarring.

Might have been the point because the tone of this series is a lot like whiplash most of the time.

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#15727: May 1st 2015 at 9:22:49 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that the Namek Saga is the best arc of DBZ? Seriously, it's just great from start to finish.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15728: May 1st 2015 at 9:29:34 AM

I mean. Dear god the pacing.

That's an issue with the whole series, but dear god the pacing.

The Fresh Prince of Vegeta.

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#15729: May 1st 2015 at 9:34:00 AM

The anime's pacing is terrible.

But I've seen far, far worse than the manga's passing. And hell, I've seen manga with worse pacing issues than DBZ's anime.

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#15730: May 1st 2015 at 9:34:04 AM

[up][up][up] I wouldn't necessarily say the best, but I did love the Namek arc.

I don't know what I'd consider my favorite storyline. I kinda like them all for different reasons. Except Cell. F*ck Cell.

Frieza wins for favorite villain, though.

edited 1st May '15 9:34:52 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15733: May 1st 2015 at 9:47:51 AM

That's one heck of a glitch.

I mean, Frieza turned into Appule.

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edited 1st May '15 10:09:29 AM by unnoun

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#15734: May 1st 2015 at 10:24:15 AM

I really think Cell could've been a better villain but was screwed over. Dude's pretty cool in my opinion. Frieza's my favorite but Cell is a close second. Buu is like tenth.

So why was Gero even connected to the Red Ribbon Army the way he was? Wasn't his son a solider in it or something? Would've been better if he wasn't pissed at Goku for decimating the RRA but for his son being killed in Goku's assault. At least I think that'd be better. He'd be a super smart old dude pissed at his son's death, but then he'd be completely justified in trying to kill Goku and probably wouldn't seem so "evil". Just a man trying to get revenge for his son by building weird ass robots/cyborgs like any good father should do.

edited 1st May '15 10:24:40 AM by Raven666

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15735: May 1st 2015 at 10:26:17 AM

Apparently Gero's son was killed by enemy bullets.

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#15736: May 1st 2015 at 10:26:38 AM

Gero was evil, changing his motivation shouldn't change that part of him.

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#15737: May 1st 2015 at 10:29:53 AM

Android 16 being modeled after his son is a detail that didn't come out until after the series ended. It's likely this was not the case when the characters were originally written.

He's tangentially connected to the RRA by the fact that they had a couple androids during the assault on Muscle Tower, Android 8 and Major Metallitron. Anime filler assigned Android 8's creation to an original character named Dr. Frappe, introducing an anime-induced plot hole as a consequence of Gero having not been created yet.

Gero is a new character masquerading as a returning character via a very thin connection to the RRA, but at least there's that much. Also, like most of the things that make little sense in the Cell Saga, Toriyama's explanation about his son raises more questions than it answers.

edited 1st May '15 10:32:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15738: May 1st 2015 at 10:33:08 AM

[up] Eh, I don't think it's that thin. If RR has androids there's bound to be scientists that built them.

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#15739: May 1st 2015 at 10:38:16 AM

I still think it'd have been better if Gero's son had been killed when Goku assaulted the RR headquarters and that's why Gero wanted him dead. But that's not why shit happened so i'll shut up now.

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#15740: May 1st 2015 at 10:41:19 AM

It's a much more personal motivation than avenging the Red Ribbon Army's failure to conquer the world cure Commander Red's shortness.

...

I suddenly want Commander Red to be Dr. Gero's son. The doctor built his original androids to help seize the Dragon Balls so that Shenron could correct the terrible crime that nature had inflicted on their family and make him tall. Android 16? He's not built in the image of his son, but in the image of the body his son always wanted.

edited 1st May '15 10:43:22 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15742: May 1st 2015 at 10:43:01 AM

[up][up]New headcanon

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15743: May 1st 2015 at 10:43:28 AM

[up][up][up]I mean, Red's second-in-command thought taking over the world is what they would use the wish for. Red's actual motivation wasn't common knowledge for his subordinates.

And, frankly, maybe he figured that he could just use his army to take over the world anyway, but that as emperor he'd need to be imposing.

...I like your idea better though.

edited 1st May '15 10:43:39 AM by unnoun

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#15744: May 1st 2015 at 10:48:16 AM

Either way, the glaring question is why Dr. Gero never used the Dragon Balls to resurrect his son. I mean, it's not like he didn't know about them.

I'd like to think that his mad-on for Goku stems from every time he went to find the Dragon Balls, they had already been used by Goku and his rivals, so he never got the chance. Problem with that is, there are great chunks of time where multiple years pass with no wishes made.

Maybe he tried a few times but without a Dragon Radar or an army to scour the world, his search was totally fruitless and any Balls he DID find were stolen months or years later by Goku and his allies in one of the "Gather the Dragon Balls!" montages. And then he had to wait a year to even make an attempt again.

edited 1st May '15 10:49:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15745: May 1st 2015 at 10:49:44 AM

Isn't there a time limit on how long someone can stay dead until they can't be revived with the Dragon Balls? Before Ro F anyway?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15746: May 1st 2015 at 10:50:55 AM

I think there's a thing in the manga where Goku keeps grabbing the four-star ball when he can.

He definitely had it during the four years time before the arrival of Raditz.

edited 1st May '15 10:51:38 AM by unnoun

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#15747: May 1st 2015 at 10:51:03 AM

No. There's a time limit on mass revivals.

A mass revival can only resurrect people who have been dead for less than one year. A single-target revival has no such limitation.

[up] Good point. Goku bogarting the Four-Star Ball would definitely make it impossible for Gero to revive his son without coming into direct conflict with Goku.

edited 1st May '15 10:52:32 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15748: May 1st 2015 at 10:53:12 AM

Alright, but then we get to the Revival of F problem. Freeza's soul could came back but his body was still in pieces because Sheron couldn't restore his body.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15749: May 1st 2015 at 10:56:56 AM

Of course, there's the issue of how the hell Frieza's goons got the four star from Goku in this movie.

[up] Better than being a pile of ash from Trunks' ki blast.

edited 1st May '15 10:58:00 AM by unnoun

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#15750: May 1st 2015 at 10:59:48 AM

[up] Right. Frieza was in pieces because Frieza can survive being in pieces; that didn't kill him. A resurrection only restores the damage that killed you, and for Frieza, that was the vaporization that ensued after being cut into giblets.

Gero's son wouldn't have the giblets problem because he died from a gunshot. Once Shenron restores him to life and patches up the gunshot, he should be fine.

edited 1st May '15 11:00:25 AM by TobiasDrake

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