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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#15551: Apr 29th 2015 at 9:23:04 AM

And he's still hilariously underpowered; he's weaker than Gohan after the latter slacked off of training.

That says a fucking a lot.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#15552: Apr 29th 2015 at 9:24:40 AM

Popo attracts more controversy than Staff Officer Black because Black only appeared in one arc, and that arc was prior to Raditz's arrival, and nothing that happened before Raditz's arrival matters to Western audiences.

They didn't have to color him blue for Kai because he never appears in Kai.

edited 29th Apr '15 9:25:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15553: Apr 29th 2015 at 10:45:07 AM

Yeah, I'm not going into that whole thing. People more eloquent than me have done so.

The new series needs more of this sort of thing.

And this.

I want an episode about how the Paparazzi has to deal with Capsule Corp. and Mr. Satan's son-in-law's weird family. Hell, how world famous champion baseball player Yamcha knows a bunch of weirdos.

...I mean, I know Toriyama isn't so great with romantic stories, and that's fine, could they hire someone that is? Because I want some collaborative shit that shores up Toriyama's weaknesses as a writer, or at least can tackle aspects of the series he can't do himself so well. If these characters are in relationships than that should be a thing.

If these characters are extremely wealthy and have extremely successful, influential careers that put them in the public eye, that should be a thing.

They don't want to be in the public eye, but people would at least be vaguely curious.

I mean, doesn't anyone wonder about Mr. Satan's pink friend that sorta showed up one day? The one that eats all the candy?

edited 29th Apr '15 10:45:59 AM by unnoun

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#15554: Apr 29th 2015 at 10:56:45 AM

The protagonists of Dragon Ball are not a traditional group of heroes being heroic. It's a group of assholes, thieves, and actual murderers united by their mutual love of testing their strength against Goku.

On the plus side, they're still far better friends to each other than the cast of Ranma.

I kinda want a Super episode or even arc that deals with a visit to Penguin Village. What better way to stop worrying about power levels than a detour into a place explicitly ruled by pure Rule of Funny and cartoon physics? It's like Superman trying to fight the Looney Tunes.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#15555: Apr 29th 2015 at 11:11:09 AM

Do alternate timelines count as different universes or are they still the same universe?

I was wondering because maybe Future Trunks' timeline and the Grand Tour timeline could be 2 of the other 11 universes.

edited 29th Apr '15 11:11:30 AM by Rinsankajugin

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15556: Apr 29th 2015 at 11:28:04 AM

You'd have to ask the Supreme Kai of Time.

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#15557: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:00:46 PM

GT would be plausible since it does have stronger beings (Omega SSJ 4 Gogeta, the rest being debatable).

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#15558: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:20:09 PM

General "Stronger than Majin Buu" Rilldo.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15559: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:29:10 PM

It seems like, from what I understand of Xenoverse, all alternate timelines we've seen are actually the same universe.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15560: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:31:03 PM

So potentially each of the 12 dimensions can have alternate timelines.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15562: Apr 29th 2015 at 12:55:11 PM

[up][up][up][up] You know, speaking of things that are stronger than other things, you may recall a while back I expressed disbelief in the Androids being above Frieza and the Super Saiyans, and how if they were, why Gero didn't just build them earlier and take over Red Ribbon if not the world.

I'd like to retract that disbelief. 'cause I done goofed.

I have since realized that when I made that post I had completely forgotten about the three-year Time Skip. Which is a pretty major thing to miss when you're talking about the Androids Saga. And since we know Gero'd been watching the heroes, the end result of this is that he had much more time to perfect his killing machines than I thought he did when I made that post.

The derp was not Toriyama's. The derp was mine. DEEEEEERRRRRRRP.

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#15563: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:17:08 PM

It happens.

I goofed multiple times when I complained about Dr. Gero being the only character in the franchise to completely lack a theme name. He still violates the theme of the Red Ribbon Army, but it finally clicked with me one day that he matches the theme of the androids he created by being Doctor Zero.

He's still a walking pile of gibberish shaped like a character, but his name fits a theme.

edited 29th Apr '15 1:17:40 PM by TobiasDrake

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15564: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:21:41 PM

[up] I kind of doubt those Red Ribbon people were using their real names anyway.

Also not helping vis a vis Androids vs. Frieza is that I've only ever seen the anime version of Goku vs. Frieza, which I understand made the fight a lot more even.

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#15565: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:31:26 PM

I don't see why not. Most of our characters are named after fruits and instruments; what's wrong with colors?

My biggest problem with the Androids being above Frieza is the fact that their base is so puny. Farmer With Shotgun had a battle power of five, with ten being high enough to resist ordinary firearms, and 100-300 being sufficient for feats like destroying the moon, wrecking cities, and wiping out entire armies.

Experienced warriors from planets noted for having unusually high battle powers range from 3,000 to 18,000. 40,000+ is exceptionally, utterly insanely high and requires being born a rare and special mutant, the abuse of racial features, and/or supernatural enhancement to achieve. With the sole exception of Frieza, 120,000 was the greatest power in the entire universe, achieved by a supernaturally gifted mutant capable of stealing bodies if he's ever surpassed.

The greatest warrior Earth has to offer managed 75,000 by having his full potential drawn out by supernatural alien powers. With all this in mind, how the hell did a pair of snot-nosed teenagers from the weakest planet in the entire setting get a battle power in the hundreds of millions? Saiga insists that it would make sense if Frieza wasn't quite so high, but I still don't see it. You can't spend so long hammering in how weak and pathetic and worthless Humans are then turn around and go, "Human cyborgs: 3-5x more powerful than the greatest thing in the entire universe."

edited 29th Apr '15 1:34:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15566: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:34:04 PM

[up] Perpetual energy, apparently. Outright telling the laws of physics to kiss it.

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#15567: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:34:08 PM

Science and stuff...

[up]Seriously, Infinite energy generators are the most absurd energy source ever.

It's nice how backwater earth had the tech to build something no one else in the universe could.

edited 29th Apr '15 1:35:45 PM by Shlugo_the_great

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#15568: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:35:18 PM

Yeah, but the characters have been telling the laws of physics to kiss it since we first met Goku.

Humans have been consistently weak and pitiful since before Goku was even defined as an alien, when he was surpassing ancient masters and slaughtering armies before finishing puberty. The Androids make no sense.

EDIT: Infinite energy doesn't really explain it either, because the Androids fail to have a battle power of infinity. They have limits. They can be beaten. That it is even possible to defeat them means their energy doesn't cover everything, and the fact that it doesn't means that somehow, in addition to infinite energy generation, Dr. Gero also was able to build human bodies capable of withstanding a Kamehameha from a being in the 200-300 million range.

If all they had was infinite energy generation, they wouldn't be nearly the threat they were, and if infinite energy generation alone was enough to make the difference between 5 and 150 million, they would never lose to anything because they'd be invulnerable.

edited 29th Apr '15 1:38:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15569: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:38:25 PM

Yeah, the androids are completely out of the left field thing.

Funny enough the Androids are the reason I never had a problem with Machine Mutants in GT being stronger than Buu. If punny Earth scinece can build stuff stronger than Freeza, Space Scinece building something stronger than Buu is not implausible.

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#15570: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:39:03 PM

Infinite energy sources should be an absolute game breaker.

"Give me a minute. Gonna charge up an energy ball"
"How big are you going to make it?"
"Big enough."

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#15571: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:41:45 PM

I really need to read the manga in full. Thing is the Cell Saga is left with cruddy old scanlations from like, 1999.

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#15572: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:42:38 PM

Yeah. If they actually function as infinite energy, then 17 and 18 should have infinite impenetrable shields all the time and be able to generate enough energy to surpass anything they're fighting always.

But they can't. They have limits. They can be surpassed. They can be defeated. This implies their bodies are not infinite even though their generators are, and that implies that their bodies were somehow constructed to withstand the force of combat in the hundreds of millions.

Cell can justifiably have a body capable of withstanding such levels of power. Majin Buu can justifiably have a body capable of withstanding such levels of power. Two random kids from the weakest planet we ever see in the story, a planet whose greatest warriors Goku surpassed in his teenage years? No.

Infinite energy isn't enough of an answer.

edited 29th Apr '15 1:44:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15573: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:45:19 PM

Super science alloys and stuff. Very strong material. *waves hands*

I love thinking of ways those infinite generators could be used even with the apparent rate restrictions on it. Like building an external ki ball to an arbitrary size and density. Or giving an arbitrary amount of energy to a Spirit Bomb (before anyone says it: Android 8, and the sun)

edited 29th Apr '15 1:45:43 PM by Enlong

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#15574: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:45:45 PM

I assumed that infinite energy means the generators will keep working forever (as silly as that is) not that they can produce an infinite energy at one time.

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#15575: Apr 29th 2015 at 1:49:24 PM

Then take advantage of never running out by building an external KI ball. See how big and powerful you can make it before throwing it. Should be enough to overcome anyone's Damage Resistance, if you spend enough time on it.

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