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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15426: Apr 28th 2015 at 8:08:32 AM

And playing Bingo while babysitting Pan.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#15427: Apr 28th 2015 at 8:12:24 AM

I'm cool with a new series.

#IceBearForPresident
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#15428: Apr 28th 2015 at 8:41:13 AM

Even Z took breaks from "The Fighting Fighters Fight Stuff" for building the characters and relationships. Piccolo is iconic for his relationship with Gohan. Yamcha fails at everything he does but is much beloved by the fanbase for his extreme competence at being the Butt-Monkey. Bulma has never been a relevant fighter for her entire character history and yet is one of the most important characters in the entire cast. Mr. Satan saved the world through being a fame whore.

Yes, nobody gets to match Goku and Vegeta when it comes to fighting, because that's Goku and Vegeta's roles. Goku is the ultimate fighter, Vegeta is his second. That's their thing. Let them have their thing. You wouldn't take away Piccolo's relationship with Gohan and be like, "Yamcha's Gohan's surrogate father now!" When a machine that punches a hole in physics needs building, you wouldn't have Tien build it.

Goku and Vegeta are the lead fighters because that's what their characters are. Their entire existence is dedicated to being the lead fighters. Getting stronger and fighting dudes has been Goku's central storyline for almost as long as we've known him, and keeping up with Goku has been Vegeta's since Namek. That's their story. The rest of the cast have their own stories, and those stories are just as valid.

This fandom fixates too much on who could kick whose ass. When it comes to battle powers and the tiered fighting structure, I will math you under the table, but battle power =/= character value. Krillin never needed to be able to punch out Majin Buu to have a fulfilling and satisfying character arc. Why does Goten?

edited 28th Apr '15 8:45:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15429: Apr 28th 2015 at 8:48:26 AM

That's why I'm glad Goku and Vegeta left everyone else in the dust. With the pretense of being relevant to protecting the universe gone, the entire rest of the cast is freed up for other things while I enjoy Goku and Vegeta fighting the Big Bad.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15430: Apr 28th 2015 at 8:54:55 AM

I can understand the negativity. I also have my doubts about certain things happening, but I still want to see how this plays out.

This is a full anime, so there might be more room for other stuff. It'd be great if Toriyama was aware of some of the problems of the series and tried to correct them. I doubt it, but I'd rather try and be optimistic.

At the very least, well hopefully get some good fights in this show.

One Strip! One Strip!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15431: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:20:46 AM

is it before or after the God stuff?didn't read that wall,sorry.

oh well.will keep a slight optimism.my standard's natural state is extremely low anyway.it can't be that bad.

as long as people are relevant.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15432: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:38:10 AM

Which is why I hope this series has a bit more of a comedic focus; gives more leeway than "Goku & Vegeta fight the villains while everyone watches"

Like yo, imagine an episode focusing on Vegeta's family life.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15433: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:39:01 AM

[up]

Well, a big complaint is that no-one expects anyone else to be relevant, even with Toriyama involved.

And it has some validity. He did short-change Gohan in favor of bringing back Goku, and how many characters just stopped being relevant after a while?

One Strip! One Strip!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15434: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:42:35 AM

maybe if we take a parrot,teach it words like "Give focus to X" in japanese,and sent it to him,maybe it'll manage to influence him.

or make for a constantly focus shifting anime.could be funnynat least.

train the bird well,people.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15435: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:43:44 AM

It has to teach a dinosaur to ride a ball.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15436: Apr 28th 2015 at 9:58:02 AM

partly cause they're extinct.

unless you mean the bird.dunno then.maybe if it's a crow.but they can't say much apart from Idiot.

maybe it'd still work.

LedWalrus Since: Jun, 2009
#15437: Apr 28th 2015 at 11:20:00 AM

Dragon Ball Super = Dragon Ball "Toriyama wants to leave his family a bigger inheritance"

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#15438: Apr 28th 2015 at 11:22:45 AM

I'm okay with that.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15439: Apr 28th 2015 at 11:34:06 AM

Best family man ever.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15440: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:31:42 PM

It seems Toriyama has changed. For a while, he seemed to want nothing to do with Dragon Ball. I guess the royalty money from it ran out or is not enough anymore.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#15441: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:47:38 PM

Golden Great Cyan Ape 4 when?

edited 28th Apr '15 12:48:45 PM by TheAirman

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15442: Apr 28th 2015 at 12:52:00 PM

after Super Saiyan God Super Sonic fails.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#15443: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:11:18 PM

Well, a big complaint is that no-one expects anyone else to be relevant, even with Toriyama involved.

And it has some validity. He did short-change Gohan in favor of bringing back Goku, and how many characters just stopped being relevant after a while?

Yeah, but he short-changed Gohan on grounds that Gohan just wasn't suited to being the Ultimate Warrior of the Universe the way Goku and Vegeta are, and he was right to do so, because Gohan isn't. Gohan's best moments in the Buu arc are at the beginning of it, trying to fit into school, creating his superhero identity, interacting with Videl, etc. That's where he belongs, exploring what it means to be both Saiyan and Human.

Gohan never wanted to fight for fighting's sake. He never wanted to be the guy that strives for newer, more powerful gods to break the spines of. And frankly, there's only so many times you can play the "Gohan quits because he hates this shit, but suddenly a Deus ex Machina makes him the strongest warrior anyway" card before it gets contrived, and it's already been played twice.

Gohan doesn't want to be that guy, and Toriyama's stopped trying to shoehorn him into being that guy. That doesn't prohibit Gohan from having engaging stories to tell. Not everyone in the Justice League has to be Superman.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15444: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:15:02 PM

Not everyone in the Justice League has to be Superman.

Saiyaman is better anyway.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15445: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:22:47 PM

It's for the best really. Gohan being retired from having to save the universe can only be a good thing.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#15446: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:26:14 PM

Now I'm trying to figure out who everyone in Dragon Ball would be if they were in DC. Frieza is clearly Darkseid, Cell is probably Amazo...

Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
I'd totally hug you if that was something I did
#15447: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:27:24 PM

I'm definitely excited for this, but i'm prepared to be disappointed. I kinda hope Towa, Mira, and/or Demigra show up but at the same time feel like they'd get there asses kicked way to easily. Maybe they could be the new Pilaf Gang! That was a joke. But we need the Pilaf Gang, I don't care if they show up just for some quick gags, Mai looks decent, Shu is awesome - he's a fucking ninja dog! That's awesome! - and Pilaf's hat is adorable. Plus they're so ineffective that it's funny. Their failure amuses me.

As for more bingo, I think that's going to go straight into Annoying Territory soon, if it hasn't already. It's like the whole 'The cake is a lie!' shit. It was funny, until it got annoying.

[up] I feel like Piccolo would be Batman or something. I don't really know why

edited 28th Apr '15 1:30:13 PM by Raven666

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#15448: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:29:45 PM

...

Actually, I kinda do want the plot of Xenoverse to be adapted into a movie. You can even fully remove the Sue Patroller and just have Trunks take his place.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15449: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:31:47 PM

So when did you guys decide Gohan is too shitty of a fighter to be The Hero : I still maintain he's a far better character than Goku or Vegeta and still would have preferred him to be the eventual main character.

But clearly Toriyama disagrees so what the fuck do I know about anything.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#15450: Apr 28th 2015 at 1:33:00 PM

Towa and Mira are very interesting villains who break the mold of new bad guy just being stronger than the last one, what with trying to change history and stuff. They are crafty is what I'm saying.

[up]Since the beginning? Gohan never striked me as a good replacement for Goku, and I found Toriyama's attempts at so, ill conceived to say the least.

edited 28th Apr '15 1:35:01 PM by Shlugo_the_great


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