It is interesting to consider the idea of Trunks' wish summoning a Saiyan Future Warrior from before Planet Vegeta was destroyed. That would mean you'd be playing a straight Villain Protagonist at first.
More or less, with a bit of Abridged Vegeta mixed in.
- VEGETA: What's soap?
- BULMA: It's that block of animal fat.
- VEGETA: THAT SOUNDS AWESOME! *chomp* Ugh! That tastes nothing like what you described!
She combines Vegeta's savagery with Goku's simplicity.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Should we shift Whis from 'Movie Villains' to 'Z/GT Supporting Cast' or 'Other Characters'? I mean, yes, he's the manservant to a cranky God of Destruction who wants to blow up Earth, but he's just not a villain in any conceivable way. He's nothing but friendly and helpful to the heroes in Battle of Gods, and is apparently Goku's new mentor in Revival of F.
What's precedent ever done for us?Just 'cause he's the antagonist on a movie don't mean he can't be nice or likable. Guy's not just a one dimensional evil entity.
Huh.
I just realized, DBZ doesn't really do movie-only supporting characters.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariHe's not even antagonistic, though. He spends his entire screen time trying to run damage-limitation on his master, helping out the heroes, and scarfing down food. Antagonists create obstacles. Whis tries to remove obstacles and help the heroes over those he can't get rid of.
What's precedent ever done for us?Not really. He's the transport guy, sure, but keeps trying to dissuade his master from going and trying to keep the peace once he gets there. 'Transports the villain to the heroes and then tries to make sure they get along' is a really loose definition of 'antagonist', let alone 'villain'.
What's precedent ever done for us?New anime set after Buu, Dragon Ball Super.
Official press release:
Reuniting the franchise’s iconic characters, Dragon Ball Super will follow the aftermath of Goku’s fierce battle with Majin Buu, as he attempts to maintain earth’s fragile peace. Overseen by Dragon Ball’s original creator, Akira Toriyama and produced with Fuji Television, Dragon Ball Super will draw on its historic past to create a bold, new universe welcoming to fans and endearing to new viewers.
Introduced as a manga in Weekly Shonen Jump (published from SHUEISHA Inc.) in 1984, Dragon Ball has evolved into a globally beloved brand. Seen in more than 70 countries, with over 230 million copies of its comic books sold, Dragon Ball remains one of the most popular anime series of all time.
“Having loved Dragon Ball since childhood, it is very exciting to be a part of this project,” said Osamu Nozaki, producer for Fuji Television. “Mr. Toriyama has developed a plot that’s not only a dream come true for Dragon Ball’s millions of fans, but one that will foster in a new generation of viewers.”
“When I joined Toei Animation, one of my first assignments saw me working on the production of Dragon Ball Z,” said Atsushi Kido, producer for Toei Animation. “While there for only a short period of time, being a part of the series left a lasting impression. We look forward to carrying on Dragon Ball’s tremendous legacy, bringing audiences a brand new Dragon Ball with the same sense of heart and commitment that went into past Dragon Ball productions.”
“I’ve used the word ‘cho’ (super) in so many commercials, games and other media, it is fantastic that the long awaited Dragon Ball Super will finally begin,” said Masako Nozawa, Japanese voice actress of Dragon Ball’s Son Goku, Son Gohan and Son Goten. “I hope that this series will last a long time and have the same impact around the world as its predecessor.”
edited 28th Apr '15 4:30:37 AM by LordofLore
It's kind of sad when promotions act like that's surprising. It makes sense to hype it up in-universe (no matter how often it happens, the characters are still going to be shocked when they get shown up by some new thing) but people acting like power escalation isn't already a staple when talking about the franchise is silly.
This is...this is amazing.
Guys, this could be something great! It's not GT. They MADE GT, and GT failed. BOG and RF shows us that they know at least a little bit of what makes Dragon Ball good.
Anything we want could happen! Older Goten and Trunks! Humans being useful! Pan as a fighter!
Guys guys guys we could get Super Saiyan Pan.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!But they already DID Dragon Ball GT. And it FAILED. Both critically and financially.
The market is different, sure, but why would they try and repeat a failure?
Yes, the new movies are more of "Goku and Vegeta: The Show", but the movies are a lot more strict in formula than an anime series is. Anime movies NEED a selling point. DBS doesn't, as long as it's consistently enjoyable.
edited 28th Apr '15 5:00:45 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Hopefully we can learn more about the other Gods which was stated at the end of Battle Of Gods.
GT failing didn't stop them repeating many of the same things in the new movies.
Goku and Vegeta focus isn't just to make the movies sell. They're clearly adored more by both Toriyama and others involved in the franchise, and they've been the status quo since the manga ended.
Also Goku and Vegeta being the stars isn't really the selling point of the movies. Stuff like Freeza returning and the new forms were the selling points, along with Toriyama being involved.
edited 28th Apr '15 5:06:57 AM by Saiga
Repeating...what? Having everyone 'job' to Beerus in BOG? Giving Goku and Vegeta new forms?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like SSGSS either, but just because the new movie included it doesn't mean the new series is strictly the Goku and Vegeta show.
Because, let's face it. That would be BORING. Having only 2 characters who do anything of use is boring. RF had the B-Plot for a reason, and it seemed just as, if not more enjoyable than the A-Plot.
What I'm trying to say is, I'm pretty sure both Toei and Toriyama remember the other characters. I'm sure they'll try to let them do SOMETHING.
edited 28th Apr '15 5:26:59 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Here's what's going to happen.
Goku will save the day.
Vegeta will look cool.
The villain will shit in Gohan's mouth.
Everyone else will lose.
My various fanfics.Just the general "fuck everyone else, it's Goku and Vegeta" thing they stick to. But giving them exclusive access to the newest form, and bringing back an old villain for a completely new powerup is also in line with GT.
The new form is not why I'm calling it the Goku and Vegeta show. Those two being the only ones of any importance is why it's called that.
"Because, let's face it. That would be BORING. Having 2 characters who do anything of use is boring."
Yeah. That's why the new movies are boring, because only Goku and Vegeta's contributions are useful. Battle of Gods? Vegeta's the only one trying to handle the Beerus situation. Once everyone else is smacked down, he gets to have his own moment and actually hurt Beerus. Then it's all Goku.
Revival of F? The fight scene against the mooks didn't matter. It was just extremely shallow fanservice, and to make things worse it's mentioned Gohan could have just skipped that entire fight scene by instantly wiping the army out. Then Freeza goes and kills off the whole army anyway to cement how meaningless it is. No, only Goku and Vegeta mattered there.
I'm sure Toei and Toriyama will remember the other characters, when they think "shit, how will the audience know how amazing and special Goku and Vegeta are if someone doesn't say it?!" Or, at best, they'll come up with absolutely meaningless scenes like the 1000 Freeza soldiers and act like they've done those characters a huuuuge favour.
Watch as this series gives the rest of the team their moment to shine as they fight against the patients of a children's hospital.
edited 28th Apr '15 5:34:56 AM by Saiga

- GOKU: You mean, if it weren't for Frieza, you wouldn't be—
- VEGETA: Dying? No, I wouldn't.
- GOKU: I was going to say evil.
- VEGETA: Oh, no, I'd still be evil. In fact, if this situation were reversed, this conversation wouldn't be happening. You would be dead and I would be laughing.
~AbridgedEDIT: Also, a conversation with my BFF led me to some characterization realizations about my Papaya. I made the joke to my BFF about Frieza being awesome to the Saiyans and Planet Vegeta being tragically destroyed by a rock, and she asked, "Papaya doesn't know what happened?"
After musing on it for a bit, I realized no, she doesn't. She hasn't been following the plot at all, which is also why Cell, of all people, is getting close to becoming her BFF. She has no idea what he is beyond "Weird Alien Thing," but she likes him. She glazed over his explanation of his different genes, but recognized the zenkai effect in one of the PQs when he got back up stronger twice and was thrilled to see he comes back stronger like a right proper species.
Papaya has almost zero context on anything that's happening. She just knows she was plucked from time and space and told "blah blah fight guys blah STRONG GUYS blah blah." Her only concern going into a Time Patrol mission or PQ is making sure she punches the people she's supposed to punch.
Her thoughts on Mira and Towa threatening time and space are about as simple as Abridged Goku's reaction to Frieza.
edited 27th Apr '15 10:50:10 AM by TobiasDrake
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