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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#15326: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:17:03 PM

"What is official" is an awful lot murkier for anime/manga than for Western comics, though.

Even if you ignore the doujins, there's the OVAs, the movies, alternate versions, etc. Dragon Ball has tons of movies that can't fit anywhere into the series, filler arcs that don't exist in the manga, and the varying futures of GT, Online/Xenoverse, Battle of Gods, and the original manga ending.

Take, for instance, the character of Garlic Jr. who was introduced in a movie that cannot fit into the canon of the series, then returned for an anime filler arc that didn't happen in the manga but did happen in the anime even though even the anime can't fit the movie into continuity, resulting in a character leading a storyline that may or may not be canon depending on if you prefer anime or manga continuity, despite the fact that the character cannot be canon even to the version of the story where he would be canon.

Other series, such as Tenchi Muyo, are even worse about that.

edited 22nd Apr '15 3:20:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15327: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:25:51 PM

that's partly cause manga's popular enough over there to get various extras like that.and to save up moneys for later use in the case of filler and anime.

over here,shows based on comics are kinda...i mean,the majority of them is superhero stuff,and there's like uuh,an animated movie or two per year,same for life action ones,maybe a cartoon or two,and that's kinda it.and most of them tend to stick to the originals for the most part.

dunno,i kinda am talking out of my behind here to be 100% honest.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15328: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:29:49 PM

[up][up] no, actually, it's not murky at all. Continuity is completely separate from what is official.

Anything produced by a licence holder is official.

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#15329: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:30:01 PM

[up][up] Well, in the case of filler, manga tends to get an anime adaptation before the manga has actually finished. Once the anime catches up to the manga, their only options are to faff around and draw things out with padding and filler, such as Dragon Ball Z did, or break off contact with the manga and do its own thing, like Fullmetal Alchemist.

The point is, neither is really objectively better than the other. Quality is entirely subjective. But to say that western comics are all clusterf*cks of continuity where nothing ever changes or matters while anime and manga are consistently carefully-constructed plots with a concise beginning, middle, and end is being disingenuous to both.

[up] Even when it contradicts everything else produced by the license holder. That's the point.

edited 22nd Apr '15 3:30:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15330: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:31:21 PM

Again, being official and being contradictory simply have no relation at all.

You don't have a point. At least not one that involves official status being murky.

edited 22nd Apr '15 3:32:03 PM by Saiga

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#15331: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:33:04 PM

They do when the argument is "Anime is always consistent!"

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15332: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:34:25 PM

random question,does the 1st Broly movie normally have those songs in it?cause they're a bit annoying.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15333: Apr 22nd 2015 at 3:39:11 PM

I think there is a legitimate question over what's official when you get to some murky shit.

Like.

As mentioned, I'm a Doctor Who fan.

And. The BBC owns Doctor Who, the TARDIS, and the Time Lords. By default.

But Doctor Who has iconic monsters like Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, and a lot of other monsters and characters and companions and story aspects and things that are owned by the people that created them.

So when Doctor Who was cancelled there were a lot of films and books and things that had characters like Sarah Jane Smith or the Sontarans or whatever that had the permissions of the people who own those concepts but not the BBC-owned Doctor Who stuff.

My experiences with some of that in the 90s/00s are why I really like a lot of the ambiguity and fluidity and nonsensicalness in a lot of serialized storytelling.

...And why I hate fanwank because goddamn.

The worst thing is when fans try to take something that didn't make sense and try to force it into making sense. Like, not as a joke, but to actually get hired by a company just so you can get paid and have your explanations for things that never needed explaining become official shit.

Conversely, I feel like we are morally obligated to take simple, straightforward consistent things that made sense and turn them into an absurdist postmodern and insane mess.

Because it's better that way.

edited 22nd Apr '15 3:52:44 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15334: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:03:29 PM

What is in continuity and what is official aren't the same thing.

The DBZ movies aren't in continuity. They're official though. The real 'canon' is the manga.

The Superman animated series isn't in continuity. It's official, though. The real 'canon' is whatever series is currently considered to be the mainline 'Superman' series. Action Comics!

It's not very difficult to get.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15335: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:06:54 PM

There's still ambiguities with that though.

Like, everything to do with Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball.

I mean, which wish did they use to fix the Earth when Arale punched it in half?

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:16:39 PM by unnoun

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#15336: Apr 22nd 2015 at 6:16:45 PM

They fixed the earth with science that time.

I have a message from another time...
Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#15337: Apr 22nd 2015 at 7:50:26 PM

So, anyone else think the real reason Beerus didn't accept S Ko T's offer for food is because of how bad a cook she is? Sure, wanting to fuck Demigra's shit up was part of it but the main reason was definitely how bad a cook she was. Or at least that's now my personal headcanon.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15338: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:07:33 PM

I was never saying anime is always consistent. Just that bringing fanworks into it is silly, and that there isn't really any confusion over what is official.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15339: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:17:34 PM

[up][up]I think he was just bluffing and just wanted to go back to sleep.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#15340: Apr 23rd 2015 at 12:07:00 AM

I've just been amusing myself by reading stuff from the translations page on Kanzenshuu, and I found this.

Nozawa: You know, I really want to be in the live-action film when it’s made, playing some old woman passerby. (laughs) I’d want to see Goku just as he fires his Kamehameha, and say, “Even I can do that,” then walk away. (laughs)
.

God, that would be the best cameo ever.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#15341: Apr 23rd 2015 at 12:18:47 AM

Old people need to chill. XD. They be too cool in everything.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15342: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:27:31 AM

[up][up]

I think that's a pretty fair wish.

I mean, she's been the character for an eternity. A small cameo like that wouldn't hurt.

One Strip! One Strip!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#15343: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:28:48 AM

[up]Tell that to the people who whine about Stan Lee cameos. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15344: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:37:06 AM

.....

PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT STAN LEE CAMEOS?!!!!!!

Why? What's wrong with him having small parts in the universe he helped create? Sure, He hasn't been involved in every single comic that's been a movie (even if he still cameoed) but he's the goddamned Stan Lee! He's earned it.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15345: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:38:23 AM

He kind of didn't actually contribute that much and ended up stealing most or all of the credit for everything.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#15346: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:40:16 AM

I know that, yet I still want more Stand Lee cameos.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15347: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:45:17 AM

[up][up]

......

Dammit!

edited 23rd Apr '15 8:45:41 AM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15348: Apr 23rd 2015 at 8:48:11 AM

He ended up winning mostly because he outlived everyone else. Like Jack Kirby.

...I could have sworn we've talked about this in the Doctor Who thread in one of our tangents.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#15350: Apr 23rd 2015 at 12:32:38 PM

[up]i keep thinking Mira refers to Towa. [lol]


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