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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#15201: Apr 19th 2015 at 10:51:21 PM

So do we know when Toriyama decided Goku and Piccolo would be aliens rather than mystical... things?

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#15203: Apr 19th 2015 at 11:34:22 PM

Well, with Piccolo, probably since the 23rd Budokai. In that, him and Kami speak in what ends up being Namekian. So I think he at least considered it.

As for Goku...well, Oolong asks if he's an alien in the very first arc. I feel like it was the kind of thing everyone always assumed, but Toriyama didn't reveal it until he knew he could do something with it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#15204: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:11:21 AM

I'm going to assume they screwed up Bra's age and made her GT design thinking she's older than 8.

I mean, I know there's some incredibly awful stuff, but that seems a bit much even for this.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15205: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:09:11 AM

Toriyama knew about Piccolo being an alien since God showed up. He's never said about Goku, but he did say he would have done stuff differently if he had it planned from the start.

Oh, GT could not have possibly screwed up. They set her age.

Toriyama designed the initial cast, so if there's any screw up it would be if Toriyama wasn't told the exact period he was designing the characters for, or if that wasn't decided until after the designs were done. Since his involvement began and ended with those sketches, I'd say there is at least a decent chance of that.

edited 20th Apr '15 1:11:50 AM by Saiga

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#15206: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:57:21 AM

Oh, GT could not have possibly screwed up.

So tempted to take that out of context and use it as a sig.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#15207: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:44:19 AM

Welp, you heard it here first folks. The Sage Pope of Dragon Ball has declared that GT could not screw something up. That means it's canon now. Put it in the wiki, edit the tropes, spread the word to Kaizenshuu whatever.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15208: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:55:42 AM

Oh sure, GT didn't screw up... the in sense that what they did was intentional.

And that's terrible.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#15210: Apr 21st 2015 at 2:40:31 AM

Apparently, according to a recent interview in a Japanese magazine, Frieza's power level has raised up to maybe around 100,000,000,000,000,000,000. (100 Quintillion)

Has anyone in the series (Other than Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Whis) reached this level of power before?

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#15211: Apr 21st 2015 at 2:45:10 AM

That's a joke from Freeza's VA.

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#15212: Apr 21st 2015 at 2:52:39 AM

Seriously, 100 Quintillion would be absurd, it would mean there was a bigger power escalation in those two movies than between beginning of the manga and Boo saga.

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#15213: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:23:38 AM

Power levels never ever matter. Ever. (not even in the Saiyan/Freezer saga)

I'm not crazy, just creatively different.
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#15214: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:33:15 AM

[up][up] To be fair, they are Physical Gods at this point, so it's not that far out of left field.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15215: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:38:36 AM

Wrong. Whis, Beerus and Goku are Physical Gods. Well, I'm not sure if Vegeta is. Freeza is not. 'Cause he underwent no ritual to become a God.

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#15216: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:40:58 AM

Freeza's a god of getting his ass kicked.

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#15217: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:49:24 AM

[up][up] And yet Golden Frieza could fight on par with Super Saiyan God SS Goku, at least initially.

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#15218: Apr 21st 2015 at 11:58:25 AM

I don't get why everyone doesn't just say 'fuck power levels' and enjoy the fighting. It's everyone's own businesses if they feel like discussing it but it just gives me a headache trying to figure all this out. That's why I suggested shapes, much easier to keep track of.

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#15219: Apr 21st 2015 at 12:00:09 PM

No it's not, because then you have to deal with models that go past four dimensions.

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#15220: Apr 21st 2015 at 12:05:22 PM

Well...Shut up.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15221: Apr 21st 2015 at 1:28:28 PM

Some people enjoy the battle powers. They were as much a part of the story as anything else, and everything in the story has someone who appreciates it.

I've seen bloodier arguments over the soundtrack.

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#15222: Apr 21st 2015 at 1:50:23 PM

[up]That's true, people get heated over soundtrack debates in this fandom.

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#15223: Apr 21st 2015 at 1:51:11 PM

If people enjoy it, then that's their business and I have no right to criticize. As I said before, Power Levels just give me a headache so I prefer to ignore them.

I kinda want to see some of these sound track arguments.

edited 21st Apr '15 1:52:33 PM by Raven666

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#15224: Apr 21st 2015 at 2:23:15 PM

Fine, the video game openings are the best pieces of music in this franchise.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#15225: Apr 21st 2015 at 2:29:07 PM

Just because he could fight on par with a god for a while doesn't mean he is a god. All the Saiyans except Goten and Trunks could've wiped the floor with the Supreme Kai. Doesn't make them gods. Majin Buu wiped the floor with beings that were more powerful than the gods of the universe. It isn't a god either. It's a primal force of nature, yeah, but it's not a god.

You know what is a god? The Super Saiyan God is a god. The God of Destruction is a god. Whis the former God of Destruction is a god.

Freeza? Freeza's just an abnormally powerful guy.

Also, which game had the best opening theme?

I'm voting for Final Bout's Biggest Fight.

edited 21st Apr '15 2:29:42 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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