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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14951: Apr 16th 2015 at 12:52:03 PM

You know, say what you will about all the stupidity regarding Gohan in the Cell Games but the stupidest thing is Goku giving Cell a senzu bean. Gohan should have been about as strong as Goku, right? Then, since Cell has expended a lot of energy, he should have been able to easily win.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14952: Apr 16th 2015 at 12:57:21 PM

Goku attempted a Batman Gambit there and, in a roundabout way, got his desired result. He just didn't expect Gohan to not defeat Cell immediately.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#14953: Apr 16th 2015 at 1:11:40 PM

Ya know, what if Gohan's recent slacking is intentional. What if Toriyama is prepping up for a movie where there's an enemy not even SSJGSS Goku nor Vegeta can deal with. Like a time-travelling bio-android that could push Gohan past even GODLY boundaries.

And the twist is that it's not even Cell! It's a powered-up Mira.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#14954: Apr 16th 2015 at 1:37:33 PM

[up]x3 Gohan was much stronger than Goku, even before Super Saiyan 2.

Goku giving Cell the Senzu is dumb, but hey, that's Goku.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14955: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:16:09 PM

It's part "lol Gohan look at how much confidence I have in you, wreck this fucker" and part "Gohan is going to wreck this fucker and it will be awesome"

Yeah, it's dumb, but it's kind of the pure Saiyan thing to do. The problem is that Toriyama went back and forth on whether this was a flaw or supposed to be commendable.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14956: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:18:31 PM

Well, Goku was right in that Gohan wrecking that fucker was awesome.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#14957: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:33:21 PM

On the one hand, Goku would still be alive if he didn't give Cell that Senzu bean on the other hand, Gohan would probably not have reached Super Saiyan 2 if Cell wasn't at 100%.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14958: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:35:13 PM

On the other other hand, they might not have needed Super Saiyan 2 if Cell was worn out and Gohan actually fought.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14959: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:36:36 PM

So it's a little bit of both Goku's and Gohan's faults. That makes sense.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#14960: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:40:35 PM

Isn't it everyone's fault?

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#14961: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:42:30 PM

I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a stupid decision on Goku's part. Mostly because Piccolo called him out on it. If Piccolo calls you out, you know you've screwed up.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14962: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:43:04 PM

As Tobias Drake has explain in detail, the Android Saga is an Idiot Plot.

edited 16th Apr '15 2:51:23 PM by VeryMelon

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#14963: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:43:36 PM

Well, arguably the entire Cell situation is everyone's fault since almost all of them provided his genetic material.

It's Piccolo's fault that Cell wasn't stopped before he became powerful enough to absorb people.

It's Vegeta and Krillin's fault he got to perfect.

It's Goku and Gohan's fault that Goku had to die to stop him.

And so on.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#14964: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:47:04 PM

So basically, everything after Freeza was caused by the heroes being stupid in some way.

Good thing they have the Dragon Balls.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14965: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:51:45 PM

After Cell spit out 18 either Goku, Vegeta, or Trunks could have just jumped in and finished him since it looked like Gohan was just going to keep playing around.

But they didn't and that gave him the chance to explode which lead to things getting worse.

Perhaps not the fairest thing to blame them on but they were all going he should just finish him and they had to perfect opportunity to do so right then and there...

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14966: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:52:36 PM

It's actually the readers' faults, since they're the ones who kept buying this manga even when Cell happened. So yeah, it's all of your faults.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14967: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:57:27 PM

some of us werent even conceived back then,gramps! tongue

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#14968: Apr 16th 2015 at 3:01:26 PM

It's physics' fault. The matter making up the manga existing led to that bit being written.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14970: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:22:44 PM

The entire series is an Idiot Plot, that wouldn't work if the Main Characters weren't fuggin' idiots. And that's great, because they're intentionally idiots.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14971: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:26:33 PM

Kinda wonder why Bulma, the other humans and Piccolo didn't just veto the stupid saiyans and try to hunt down and murder Gero themselves.

Gero probably wouldn't have been an android yet.

Heck, we don't know when Lapis and Lazuli got turned into 17 and 18 so they could have saved two teenagers from horrific torture and experiments.

edited 16th Apr '15 4:26:45 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14972: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:28:54 PM

Yeah veto them, and then they just do whatever they want because it's not like the others can actually stop them.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14973: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:31:28 PM

they could summon Shenron at night.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14974: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:31:49 PM

See, Goku probably wouldn't kill his friends.

Probably.

And, I mean. I'm not sure how exactly Goku would stop Bulma from doing whatever she wanted to do. Especially if everyone else agreed.

Goku's plan was to do nothing, which is easily thwarted by doing anything.

Goku can't do more of nothing to counteract Bulma's doing something.

Hell, Bulma could bring Yamcha along and it'd be overkill for the incontinent, impotent, half-senile and revenge-driven old man living alone in a cave.

She could bring Hercule or even Master Roshi, the latter of whom is probably most of those things except for the revenge and the cave. And he still trained most of his life. Still overkill.

edited 16th Apr '15 4:37:33 PM by unnoun

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14975: Apr 16th 2015 at 4:34:46 PM

would wishing for a remote to turn on off any android it's pointed at work as a wish?

or is Shen-long too old fashioned for that technology stuff.

edited 16th Apr '15 4:35:47 PM by alekos23


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