Goku corroborates Vegeta's assessment of the damage his attack could do when he pushes himself to Kaioken x4, wrecking his body in the process, to ensure that the beam never connects to the planet. For all his failings, Goku is a fantastic judge of relative powers; if Goku thinks the Galick Gun would have annihilated the Earth, that's good enough for me.
Not necessarily. Destroying a planet is bad for business. Vegeta's a planet broker, part of Frieza's Intergalactic Planet Trade; his business is in scouring it of life and then selling it. There's no value in the annihilation of a world.
That wasn't a consideration on Earth because Vegeta had already gone off-script by even coming here in the first place.
Any calculation predicated on Kame-sennin's battle power of 139 is flawed at its basic premise: Kame-sennin was at 139 when Bulma measured him with the Scouter she took off Raditz's corpse, but Kame-sennin diligently trained himself in preparation for the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai years before that.
He blew up the moon during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, which means his battle power was an unknown amount lower than 139 when he did it. On top of that, it was during his match against Goku; he wasn't running on fumes like Vegeta against Oozaru Gohan, but he was far from 100% at the time.
Half a fortune; he was celebrating 20 Years of Assassination with a 50% off sale, but yep. Killed General Blue with his tongue. His tongue. That is how powerful Tao Pai Pai is in comparison to the Red Ribbon Army.
edited 16th Apr '15 7:19:55 AM by TobiasDrake
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That logic is pretty flawed too. Kame-sennin's battle power was measured when he was at rest, shortly after Bulma woke him up, not when he is buffed up and concentrating his power like he was when he blew up the Moon. You can just as easily argue that his battle power was higher when he did that.
But in the end, the real problem with these calculations is that they are assuming that there is logic beyond "x is stronger than y" in battle powers to begin with.
They typically are. Just being at rest doesn't hide battle power; ki-masking is a specific skill.
It takes effort to show up weaker on the Scouter.
The reason the readings are unreliable is because our protagonists have many options for manipulating their battle power; they can conceal it, they have certain attacks that are more powerful than themselves, Gohan can pull outrageous levels out of his ass in short bursts, and Goku can multiply his.
EDIT: It is true, however, that Kame-sennin wasn't invoking his powered-up super-form when he was scanned - which does appear to increase his battle power like any other transformation - but that has nothing to do with being at rest.
edited 16th Apr '15 8:17:19 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That's because they moved from reading the person to reading the attack, and both the Makankosappo and the Kamehameha are more powerful than the person firing them.
The readings on the user's battle power returns to where it was once the move is launched.
EDIT: The reactions of Frieza's crew are particularly telling. They scan people at the start of the fight and assume that whatever they see is absolute. The idea that a person's battle power may change in the middle of the fight is nearly unheard of; Captain Ginyu recognized that Goku was ki-masking, but outside of him, reactions of "Pfft, his power is so low OMIGOD IT'S NOT WTF" are commonplace during the Saiyan and Namek arcs.
This would not be so if powers normally fluctuated based on how engaged the fighter is.
edited 16th Apr '15 8:24:44 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yes. The removal of the weights made them stronger and faster, which increases their battle power.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So, in conclusion,
- Kame-sennin was weaker in Base when he blew up the moon than the 139 on the Scouter.
- Kame-sennin was using a Super Form that he wasn't using when he was read by the Scouter.
- Kame-sennin was using a special attack that had an established precedent of being more powerful than the person firing it when he blew up the moon.
Erego, Kame-sennin's reading of 139 is more or less irrelevant to determining how powerful one needs to be to blow up the moon, let alone the Earth.
edited 16th Apr '15 8:57:00 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Then again, the games also call Potential Unlocked a transformation.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm using the Daizenshuu, so I know where it got the number from. Yes, it is his battle power after he trained for the 22nd WMAT, however, that doesn't change much about the video so I saw no reason to mention it.
We know that even after he was tired as shit from his fight with Goku, he still reasoned blowing up the moon would be more feasible than fighting Ape Goku. That means it requires a power level of less than 139, but that doesn't lend itself well to power calculations, so it's better to just use the one power level we have for him.
One could also use Tsuru-Sen'nin's power level of 120 as some kind of marker for Roshi, since they're "rivals". What all this means is Roshi's power level during the fight with Goku is anywhere from 120-139. Also why I keep using the word "around" whenever I mention a power level required to destroy Earth.
tl;dr: Just assume the upper limit.
edited 16th Apr '15 10:17:03 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I still want to know what the Serious Bomb description means. Is like say half the move in game or does it mean that it's a move Mira - and by extension the player - has yet to fully create which is why it's considered incomplete. Or is it just a misleading description that I should give no further thought to?
edited 16th Apr '15 12:37:12 PM by Raven666
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.You killed Mira before he perfected it, that's all.
edited 16th Apr '15 12:39:30 PM by TheAirman
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