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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14876: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:10:22 PM

A basic flaw your argument has is that you assume that Ki Blasts work in a way we can understand. They don't. We don't know how Ki Blasts work, for the most part.

What we do know is that Vegeta was confident he could destroy Earth, with a powerlevel of 18000, and I'm inclined to trust him on this by virtue of the fact that I'm absolutely certain he has to have destroyed one or two planets like Earth at some point in his life.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14877: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:13:06 PM

Your wish has been granted.

~glowy red eyes~

I've seen a lot of calculations done and the most consistent result I've seen is that assuming 139 was Roshi's battle power, a battle power of 11,000 would be enough to destroy the Earth and it'd take like like 3.5 billion to destroy the sun.

~splits into seven pieces and flies away~

edited 15th Apr '15 7:13:54 PM by Saiga

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#14878: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:13:28 PM

The discussion is pointless. What is relevant is:

King Piccolo is more than likely too weak to destroy Earth.

Calculations-wise, how can you not see the flaw in your numbers? Not only do they contradict the canon by being numbers far greater than Vegeta's battle power on Earth, but they also assume that the amount of Joules required to destroy Earth/moon can be converted neatly into ki. That's just a silly assumption to make when we see how weird ki works.

Finally, fan calculations mean nothing. What matters is Piccolo would have been too weak to destroy Earth.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#14879: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:14:22 PM

[up][up] Wait, red eyes?

OH SHIT EVERYONE SAIGA HAS BEEN THE BLACK SMOKE SHENRON THIS WHOLE TIME.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#14880: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:15:19 PM

[up]Saiga isn't enough of a loser to smoke in a public space though.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14881: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:16:35 PM

At least Saiga is willing to have fun with it!

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14882: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:18:58 PM

Interestingly, there was supposedly a pamphlet that specified Commander Red of all people is actually far stronger than a normal person (not that far from base Roshi in fact). No clue how official it is, though.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:20:43 PM by HamburgerTime

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Face me now, bitch!
#14883: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:19:33 PM

Outliers exist for a reason.

Master Roshi destroying the moon is one of them, as he needed to bulk up and had to charge up quite a bit to do so. In the time it would take, he would already be killed by King piccolo or above, so it wouldn't matter.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#14884: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:21:10 PM

[up][up]It's "official". His power level given was 100, but that's clearly rubbish. The DBZ Movie 3 Pamphlet also places every single member of the Red Ribbon Army above Roshi, and Colonel Silver as greater than even Oozaru Goku.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:21:26 PM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14885: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:23:06 PM

[up] I could see Blue and Tao at least being near beginning-of-series Great Ape Goku.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#14886: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:26:22 PM

[up][up] "DBZ Movie 3"

There's the problem.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#14887: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:29:11 PM

Start of series Oozaru Goku would have a battle power of 100. I can't see any of those guys being stronger. These are the battle powers from that pamphlet:

  • Sergeant Metallic: 150
  • Colonel Silver: 200
  • Captain Violet: 150
  • General White: 150
  • General Blue: 180
  • Assistant Black: 150
  • Commander Red: 100

And let's not forget that Roshi's canon battle power is 139, and Tenshinhan's canon BP was 180.

[up]Yeah, I was helping out HT. Commander Red having a BP of 100 was from that pamphlet as well.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:30:16 PM by Cruherrx

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#14888: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:31:44 PM

Um, that's Oozaru Goku prior to training with Roshi.

Or is that the point.

Ah, I see, I can see why, none of them can destroy the moon unlike Roshi's outlier. I see.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:32:44 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#14889: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:50:21 PM

[up][up] Yeah, no way in hell were any of them stronger than Roshi. I can see Metallic, Blue and Black being in the same ballpark though, given that they went toe to to with post-Budokai-Goku and weren't speedblitzed or 1-hit-KO'd.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14890: Apr 15th 2015 at 7:56:05 PM

Tao Pai Pai outpowered everyone in the Red Ribbon Army by a margin so huge that Commander Red spent a veritable fortune on him.

And he's still significantly weaker than Tenshinhan.

So, that pamphlet or whatever it was is waaaaaaaaaay off.

I doubt Commander Red breaks into double digits. Hell, I doubt he reaches Farmer With A Shotgun's powerlevel.

edited 15th Apr '15 7:56:45 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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#14891: Apr 15th 2015 at 8:03:05 PM

"numbers cast a spell on people."

I have a message from another time...
Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#14892: Apr 15th 2015 at 8:11:30 PM

Numbers are crap. Everyone knows the real way to measure power is with shapes.

edited 15th Apr '15 8:11:52 PM by Raven666

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#14893: Apr 15th 2015 at 8:19:29 PM

Sounds like a plan to me.

Vegeta's new power level is a cube, Goku's is an octagon, and Beerus has a fourth-dimensional pyramid as his.

Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
I'd totally hug you if that was something I did
#14894: Apr 15th 2015 at 8:46:49 PM

And Yamcha's just a line.

It's all much simpler this way.

edited 15th Apr '15 8:47:32 PM by Raven666

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#14895: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:27:40 PM

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail. Gather the Saiga Balls.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14896: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:37:23 PM

But how much power is a Sphere? Is that more or less than nine circles?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#14897: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:37:40 PM

Lets summon Saiga, but not wish for anything.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#14898: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:38:19 PM

Careful. We should make some negative wishes to balance out the positive wishes when we summon Saiga.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#14899: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:41:04 PM

Oh, geez. Omega Saiga.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#14900: Apr 15th 2015 at 9:41:23 PM

Ginyu Force is a pentagram, each member represents a point, and generates two lines. The members by themselves are acute angles.


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