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#14701: Apr 14th 2015 at 2:09:41 AM

I like this explanation for zenkai:

This is even better. Think about how the Saiyan's power suddenly started skyrocketing due to zenkai with boosts going into double digits. This is around the point where the characters' power levels are going from 50,000-180,000 to around the few millions. Vegeta, Gohan and especially Goku (for one got a 33x increase making him strong enough to fight Frieza's 4th form) get their powers boosted past the 7 digit mark. This makes their power levels high enough to bring the Super Saiyan transformation within reach. This suggests that at that point Zenkai is no longer just a healing factor. When there is a potential to ascend to a much higher level of power the Zenkai becomes the Saiyan's own Unlock Potential ability, and it's sole purpose at that point is to awaken enough power to allow a Super Saiyan transformation to happen. After that it again goes back to a healing factor and doesn't provide much significant boost to be noticed.

The next one goes on to explain why it still works for Cell:

The notable exception to all this? Cell. He may have Saiyan cells and a power level of a Super Saiyan, but he's neither of these. He can't go Super Saiyan to begin with, so Zenkai boosted his power level dramatically when he survived his own suicide bomb attempt.

Now the real question is how Cell received a zenkai from a self-inflicted wound. My guess is that Toriyama simply forgot. And it's simply bullshit because Goku zenkai'd a bunch of times via self-inflicted wounds on his way to Namek.

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#14702: Apr 14th 2015 at 2:22:26 AM

dunno if Cell's Zenkai is that dramatic.at their level,a difference of 30 million in power level can be dramatic.and that's like 1/4 full power Freezas.

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#14704: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:13:34 AM

[up][up][up]I don't think gravity training counts as self-inflicted. Yeah, he set up the conditions but he didn't do that with the intention of harming himself. I don't think it equates with blasting himself in the chest or something like that. He made training conditions harder to get more out of it and he got more out it in more ways than he was expecting.

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#14705: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:16:04 AM

Vegeta's actual line is a little unclear, and it could refer to him being unable to bring himself to a near-death state. Otherwise, it's just a plothole, because Goku and Cell both showed otherwise and it was never proven a Saiyan can't self inflict zenkai.

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#14706: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:27:18 AM

Nobody was beat that badly by Beerus? What about Goku's first fight with him? The one that ended with him unconscious in a crater?

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#14707: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:31:05 AM

I feel kinda bad for King Kai.

...Wait, I haven't watched Battle of Gods in a while, does he still have a halo?

Either way. He just got his planet back, and Goku comes and drags Beerus along.

Also, kinda weird that Beerus plays video games with one of the lesser Kais.

Also, weird that he likes Skot's cooking.

EDIT: Apparently that blog has NSFW stuff on it. So. The link I posted is fine, but be careful if you click around.

Poor Vegeta-senpai.

Broly should have considered becoming an athlete.

They'd probably turn him down on grounds of steroid abuse just by looking at him. Especially if he opens his mouth.

edited 14th Apr '15 5:35:40 AM by unnoun

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#14708: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:35:02 AM

Maybe Beerus doesn't know. All he has going is her claiming it'll be delicious.

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#14709: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:46:23 AM

So, I just read the full plot for the new DBZ movie.

Frieza gets beaten the same way as on Namek. He gloats about how he has a new transformation, goes to his stronger form, fights Goku a bit, Goku points out how he isn't used to staying in that form a long time, Frieza gets a beating, and then tries to blow up the planet before getting hit with a Kamehameha. The only difference is that the Kamehameha kills him this time. I'm not really impressed.

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#14710: Apr 14th 2015 at 6:33:03 AM

It's also stated in a daizenshuu that after achieving super saiyan, the zenkais became inconsequential.

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#14711: Apr 14th 2015 at 7:00:43 AM

Vegeta's actual line is a little unclear, and it could refer to him being unable to bring himself to a near-death state. Otherwise, it's just a plothole, because Goku and Cell both showed otherwise and it was never proven a Saiyan can't self inflict zenkai.

This.

Involuntary biological processes don't care that much about intent.

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#14712: Apr 14th 2015 at 7:42:32 AM

Has anyone gotten DLC Pack 2? It's the 14th and there's still nothing on the Playstation Store. I've heard the store updates at 10 and it's almost 11 now so where the hell is it? Anyone know if it was delayed again?

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#14714: Apr 14th 2015 at 7:55:51 AM

Why did Bulma forgive Vegeta?

Well, let's all remember that he was a mass-murdering asshole bent on proving the size of his Super Saiyan dick when she met him. He hasn't changed much, and what has changed was for the better.

Killing a bunch of innocent people to achieve his goals is not exactly out-of-character behavior for Vegeta. Frankly, blowing up only a portion of the stadium showed a remarkable level of restraint.

edited 14th Apr '15 7:57:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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#14716: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:09:49 AM

Does death even matter to people in Dragon Ball, because they seem to be perfectly content to play God with the Dragon Balls. I mean, Piccolo suggests Super Buu go kill people to pass time knowing they can wish them back, hopefully without the memories of being horrifically killed.

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#14717: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:18:06 AM

Well, it was meant to be a last resort nobody wanted to have to use, as a way if showing how desperate Piccolo was to buy time. And then Buu made even that pointless by killing them all inside a minute.

edited 14th Apr '15 8:18:37 AM by Enlong

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#14718: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:26:15 AM

[up][up][up]Well that's stupid. Don't get why it's not available the same day as other systems.

Is Saiyan Island a reliable source for information?

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#14719: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:26:15 AM

Death is an all-or-nothing failure condition in Dragon Ball post-Buu. If the heroes fail, nobody's coming back. If the heroes succeed, the Dragon Balls can be used to undo the damage that was caused.

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#14720: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:27:59 AM

Well, if Goku dies, there's still the possibility that he could use King Kai to give New Namek a ring, but that's tricky if the villain is still at large n

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#14721: Apr 14th 2015 at 9:45:32 AM

If Goku brings back Earth, Earth would just be re-destroyed by the villain.

As much as people like to rag on DBZ for being a world where there are no consequences for failure, the truth is that there are only consequences for failure. There are no consequences, however, for taking your time. It doesn't matter how many people Majin Buu or Cell killed, what matters is that Majin Buu or Cell be defeated so that they won't re-kill those people later.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#14722: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:35:20 AM

Más ágil que una tortuga, más fuerte que un ratón, más noble que una lechuga, su escudo es un corazón... Aliado a la buena, pesadilla para usted!

Yo... Soy... GOCHAPU!!!!

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#14723: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:41:51 AM

I'm surprised a Texas native would know a Chespirito character well enough to do that joke.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#14724: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:53:55 AM

I used to watch the show with my dad as a kid.

EDIT: Here's some gameplay of DBZ Chapulin:

edited 14th Apr '15 10:56:36 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#14725: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:58:44 AM

I didn't even know it was a thing that was watched in the US.

Incidentally, the translation you're looking for is "Aliado del bien, pesadilla para ti!"

'Usted' is a formal way of saying 'you' and is definitely not something that Goku would use, much less when referring to Freeza. Furthermore, 'Aliado a la buena' translates to 'Allied (verb) on good terms'.

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