TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14676: Apr 13th 2015 at 5:52:42 PM

sounds painful.

i can see why he works at Heroes now.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#14677: Apr 13th 2015 at 5:54:35 PM

His reincarnation and Jr. considered him his father. They had the same soul but they weren't the exact same person. Piccolo Jr. was always less evil than his father.

Yep.

Goku acknowledges that this Piccolo isn't as evil as Piccolo Daimao, but he is still Daimao - as Piccolo himself boasts during the Tenkaichi Budokai.

I headcanon that reincarnating as a new entity allowed him to sprout a capacity for compassion that he didn't originally have. He's still a bastard because he's the physical embodiment of evil reincarnated, but he can learn.

To put it simply

  • Nameless Namekian - 1 part Good, 1 part Evil.
  • God - 1 part Good.
  • Piccolo Daimao - 1 part Evil.
  • Piccolo Jr. - 2 parts Evil, 1 part Good.

Or in another way, 100% of his Nurture going into his reincarnation was Physical Embodiment of Evil, but his Nature has had its full three-dimensional moral compass restored.

Honestly, I don't know why this is a topic that's hotly debated; if he wasn't Daimao's reincarnation, God would have died the moment Goku impaled him on his body. God's continued existence is irrefutable evidence that Daimao is still around. Or, to quote Abridged Popo,

  • GOD: I think Piccolo may have been slain.
  • POPO: I think you would know if he were! Are you still there?
  • GOD: Yes.
  • POPO: Then he ain't dead, is he, drama queen?

edited 13th Apr '15 5:58:51 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14678: Apr 13th 2015 at 6:09:58 PM

I love how Kami just disappears when Piccolo dies, instead of dropping dead.

Incidentally, I'd like to point out that Dragon Ball Heroes is intentionally crazy and absurd, much like how AF was unintentionally crazy and absurd.

edited 13th Apr '15 6:11:03 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14679: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:36:24 PM

So here is an interesting list of everyone's power levels throughout the Freeza Saga.

What do you guys think?

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14680: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:42:11 PM

It's just a list of numbers on some guy's blog...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14681: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:43:44 PM

Yeah, most of that is pulled straight from nowhere.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14682: Apr 13th 2015 at 8:44:42 PM

There's apparently some sort of video game that lets you see post-Frieza character's PLs, but I dunno how official it is. This thing.

It says Buu, Broly, and all the GT villain break a billion, for starters.

edited 13th Apr '15 8:49:47 PM by HamburgerTime

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#14683: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:29:29 PM

So GT kinda-sorta predicted Revival F

PSN ID: FateSeraph | Switch friendcode: SW-0145-8835-0610 Congratulations! She/They
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14684: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:53:11 PM

I also love how there's a guy arguing that Krillin should've gotten stronger after getting healed by Dende.

And I'm like 'Dude y u so dumb'.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#14685: Apr 13th 2015 at 9:57:55 PM

Teach me more Saiyan history, Vegta.

I have a message from another time...
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#14686: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:24:25 PM

[up][up][up]Its like Goku is enforcing the fact that he's the Spotlight-Stealing Squad and refuses to share it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#14687: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:28:55 PM

GT Vegeta is best Vegeta.

PSN ID: FateSeraph | Switch friendcode: SW-0145-8835-0610 Congratulations! She/They
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14688: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:43:28 PM

Vegeta's Renegade Interrupts aren't very effective.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#14689: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:48:52 PM

There's no reason for him to get taken out by Nuova, though, since Nuova and SS 4 Goku are even.

My various fanfics.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#14690: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:50:38 PM

SS4 Goku =/= SS4 Vegeta.

ImmaVegeta has the best videos.

edited 13th Apr '15 10:52:02 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#14691: Apr 13th 2015 at 10:51:46 PM

IIRC, Vegeta only pretended to get his ass kicked there, so Goku and Nuova Shenron could set up a surprise attack on Omega (which he realized because Nuova hit him very softly).

Also, he'd already had the shit kicked out of him by Omega at that point.

(By the by, the trope should totally be Vegeta In Leather Pants, bet the fangirls are loving those...)

edited 13th Apr '15 10:53:02 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14692: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:19:15 AM

So some people over on the Fridge page for Battle of Gods seem to think that zenkai is a part of the explanation for how Vegeta managed to temporarily surpass Goku and how Goku managed to hold his own against Beerus after loosing Super Saiyan God.

Except I'm pretty sure they both exhausted their ability to do that on Namek since I don't recall it happening after that (other than Cell's power up) and zenkai is usually fairly minor boost (with Goku's 33x zenkai being an outlier).

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!
DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#14693: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:48:24 AM

[up] Was it ever made explicit that they'd used up their Zenkai power? They could have been getting l'il boosts every time they nearly died, just never enough to make a huge difference since Namek. Or am I missing something?

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14694: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:57:29 AM

I seem to recall Saiga or Tobias going on about them exhausting their body's ability to do zenkai.

Even if I'm wrong, those still aren't examples of Fridge Brilliance.

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14695: Apr 14th 2015 at 1:01:04 AM

Zenkai couldn't have been used in Battle of Gods by anyone. No one was beaten that badly by Beerus.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14696: Apr 14th 2015 at 1:03:37 AM

Goku almost died in his first fight with him. Pretty sure that counts. As for Vegeta, the troper was referring to his fight with Kid Buu.

Looking at the Fridge page for the anime, I'm seeing some where the "brilliance" comes from filler.

Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!
DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#14697: Apr 14th 2015 at 1:44:01 AM

[up][up][up] Did Saiga or Tobias cite their sources/evidence?

[up] Well yeah, if we assume they're talking about anime canon, then surely all anime details are valid.

edited 14th Apr '15 1:49:44 AM by DoctorDiabolical

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#14699: Apr 14th 2015 at 1:56:51 AM

Trying to fit in Zenkai to anyone above Super Saiyan level is just going to go nowhere. Let's put it this way, if Goku's technique of nearly killing himself and then eating a Senzu to abuse the Zenkai boost was going to work again, they would have tried it.

It worked on Cell because...I dunno.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#14700: Apr 14th 2015 at 2:03:21 AM

They would have? Logical as it would have been, Goku seems like the type to prefer training over getting his ass nearly killed over and over for free boosts, as does Vegeta under most circumstances. Among other reasons, to hone skill along with power.

Plus, how many near-death experiences would it have taken to meta-game like that and get to the desired level, and given the erratic nature of Zenkais, could they have put an estimate to it? How many beans would they have needed to use?

edited 14th Apr '15 2:06:11 AM by DoctorDiabolical


Total posts: 130,800
Top