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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#14376: Apr 11th 2015 at 1:45:08 PM

Freeza was right. The legend is a crock.

He was just right in the worst possible way, because the lack of a single legendary super Saiyan means it can be achieved by any Saiyan.

I have a message from another time...
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14377: Apr 11th 2015 at 1:46:19 PM

By the way, why was Pan paired with that big lug in the tournament? The Buu Saga tournament had a kids' division, so why not this one? Or was that guy somehow a minor?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#14378: Apr 11th 2015 at 1:49:10 PM

I guess they tried one year, then realized that it was obscenely broken for children like Trunks or Goten, who could basically sleep their way through the tournament.

My various fanfics.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14379: Apr 11th 2015 at 2:04:03 PM

The DB Wikia has a list of inconsistencies. Given that it's apparently considered one the worst anime wikis, am I the only one who finds this funny?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#14380: Apr 11th 2015 at 2:58:53 PM

Found this in 4-chan:

>His power level is 938 in Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans. As his appearance in this game happens after his one in the anime (as he claims to being able to come back from the moon much stronger than before), this shows that his original power level was lower than 938.

>In the video game Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, Monster Carrot explains that he escaped just in time by making a spaceship and returning to Earth. Sometime after King Piccolo's defeat, he took over Yamcha's home in Diablo Desert. Yamcha was told about this by Puar and returned to stop him. Monster Carrot had become more powerful than before, but he was still no match for Yamcha who defeated him and forced him to do chores, like cleaning the house

Oh God, this awesome and hilarious.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14381: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:02:01 PM

I could have sworn that Attack of the Saiyans also had a hidden fight with Broly.

There is an RPG where Saiyan Saga Yamcha can beat Broly.

This clearly means that Broly is weaker than a Saibaman.

edited 11th Apr '15 3:06:20 PM by unnoun

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14382: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:33:44 PM

The odds of even a level 99 Yamcha surviving that fight are very low. Yamcha was deliberately given the defensive might of a wet paper towel.

@HT The Dragon Ball wiki is indeed crap, and their list of inconsistencies is incomplete, incorrect... and inconsistent.tongue

edited 11th Apr '15 3:34:31 PM by Saiga

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#14383: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:35:52 PM

...So I shouldn't be using the Dragon Ball wiki to read about characters, dates, and other such things. I based my Saiyans Backstory on dates obtained from that wiki. Dammit, now I gotta go check for inconsistencies.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14384: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:39:25 PM

I'd say the wiki is probably a more reliable source than Toriyama most of the time.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14385: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:51:05 PM

What are the specifics of the DB Wiki being so terrible, may I ask?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14386: Apr 11th 2015 at 3:52:27 PM

Terrible sourcing, treating dub only lines as fact, going by fan speculation, and other bad things like that.

edited 11th Apr '15 3:52:44 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14388: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:03:27 PM

Not even remotely.

For one, every bad thing Toriyama has said, they've included.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#14389: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:05:54 PM

So. What would you have done instead of the Buu Saga? I remember there was one fan fic guy who did the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans instead. I think that was the fic where Freeza became a good guy.

My various fanfics.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14390: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:05:55 PM

Anyone have an example of them using fan speculation as fact?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#14391: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:15:14 PM

I would've removed Freeza's return at the start of the Android Saga and have him instead return - fully healed - at the Buu Saga, at which point he reveals he's been training for a decade and is now strong as phuck, and since Goku ain't around to take his revenge on, he'll kill everyone to satisfy his lust for vengeance.

Basically, Revival of F except with less dumb ideas.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14393: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:18:03 PM

I liked parts of it. But it really does feel like a bunch of different arcs mixed together which just happen to have the same antagonist.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14394: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:32:07 PM

I wouldn't have done anything instead of the Boo arc. Just change the ending and some minor bumps along the way and it would've been fine.

So I shouldn't be using the Dragon Ball wiki to read about characters, dates, and other such things. I based my Saiyans Backstory on dates obtained from that wiki. Dammit, now I gotta go check for inconsistencies.

Well, when it comes to dates you can check Herms' History of Ever which is very in depth and has explanations of sources used. If you're lucky the Dragon Ball wiki just stole that and you won't have to change anything.

[up][up][up] I'd argue that's just as dumb as revival of F. Anything that brings back Freeza should go the Movie 12 route or don't go there at all.

Anyone have an example of them using fan speculation as fact?

Something like this. They mix a whole bunch of different things together and make unsubstantiated claims to make it work. For starters, "Super Saiyan Power" is just a card ability in Dragon Ball Heroes which gives Goku a power boost when he turns Super Saiyan. It has nothing to do with using Super Saiyan power in base like they claim.

Secondly, in filler against the Ginyu Force he's not using any special technique here. He was animated as a Super Saiyan, then his hair recolored black because of a last minute decision that Paikuhan shouldn't see his Super Saiyan form yet.

GT just has Goku sometimes have a gold aura when powering up.

Putting these all together, and naming them after a technique that has nothing to do with powering up the base form, is fan speculation gone wild. It's fine to have a personal theory like that, but it has no place on a wiki being passed off as in-universe fact. They have this problem a lot, it appears like the wiki tries to connect everything when somethings are just unrelated. Techniques are where they have this problem a lot, for some reason the wiki is really focused on documenting and classifying techniques.

They also had a bad habit of taking some unnamed move, coming up with their own name for it, and then giving it a page without ever revealing the name was invented by themselves. There has been some clean-up in that regard, this used to be called "Bang Beam" without revealing it was unnamed in the series. But they still list their name as an alternate name for it. Of course even after fixing that page, the very same page still says Freeza used a "Death Bullet" to kill Dende when the blast he killed Dende with wasn't named and wasn't really similar to the technique officially named Death Bullet.

edited 11th Apr '15 4:32:27 PM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14395: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:34:46 PM

I liked the Buu Saga, but to answer the question I would replace it with the plot of Fusion Reborn.

Vegeta sacrifices himself, and Majin Buu is dead. Goku says good bye to his friends and leaves to the other world, where Majin Buu is causing mayhem due to an accident. Goku turns Super Saiyan 3 for the first time and almost defeats him, but he transforms into Super Buu. Incapable of dealing with him, Goku runs off and finds Vegeta, who had been unleashed by the same accident. He is taught the fusion dance and they both turn into Gogeta. Super Buu is defeated and everything goes back to normal, and the changes to the franchise are:

  • Vegeta's sacrifice had a meaning for those on Earth;
  • No need for Mystic Gohan, and SSJ 3 Goku is the strongest;
  • Fusion dance would only be taught to the kids in case Goku was revived, because by the time Fat Buu was dead, Goku hadn't shown the technique.
  • Vegito wouldn't need an introduction, since Gogeta sufficed;
  • It would return the franchise to the kids and Piccolo.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#14396: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:48:31 PM

[up][up] Thanks! They also seem to treat the dub as overriding canon, which also bugs me; I'm a member of the Yu-Gi-Oh wiki, and although they use dub names for consistency's sake, the plot summaries follow the original.

edited 11th Apr '15 4:48:41 PM by HamburgerTime

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#14397: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:49:11 PM

[up][up]I think Buu being Satan's only friend is something that should stay in. But that might just be because I sympathize with those that have no friends. Plus, I like how 'Buu is friends with Satan' sounds.

edited 11th Apr '15 4:57:34 PM by Raven666

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14398: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:56:21 PM

That slipped my mind, but it's a change I could live with.

edited 11th Apr '15 4:56:37 PM by VeryMelon

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14399: Apr 11th 2015 at 4:57:57 PM

I think the Boo arc introduced too many good things to toss it out completely (baby with the bathwater and all that) and it wouldn't even be too hard to alter the ending to keep the good and get rid of the bad stuff.

The proposed ending I posted earlier (would anyone like me to copy paste it here rather than linking off-site?) tries to keep as much of the good elements from the arc as possible while changing it pretty significantly.

But I'll still take the version of the Boo arc we got over something like one of Toei's movies.

Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#14400: Apr 11th 2015 at 5:02:46 PM

I wasn't even aware you posted an off site link, save for the timeline one, the Super Saiyan Power and Bang Beam one

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