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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#13626: Apr 2nd 2015 at 8:57:46 PM

A tuffle? They designed the scouters, and were small and weak.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13627: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:05:08 PM

And every single infant Tuffle had a reading of "one" exactly?

Like, what was the standard deviation on that shit?

And, like, why aren't there decimal values? What are the significant figures on these numbers that come seemingly out of thin air?

...Every part of me that knows anything about science kinda hates this series. A lot.

Like, one of you mentioned a thing where Trunks and Goten don't have tails because their dads learned how to become Super Saiyan and I'm a biologist and fuck that shit. Fuck it to death. Fuck every printing press that made that guide. Every logger that cut down trees for the paper. Every person responsible for the ink and typesetting. Every writer for it, and every goddamned fan that repeats any garbage it says.

Just. No. Learned traits and acquired things have nothing to do with the reproductive system or hybridization.

Theoretically any Saiyan can go Super Saiyan HEY! . Theoretically any human can run a marathon. Somebody discovering they can break a Guinness record won't make their kids be born without a fucking limb.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:10:06 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#13628: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:07:31 PM

[up]I understand the feeling. Learning that Namekians can live off water because they have special enzymes that can take nutrients from water is the sort of thing I just block out. Among others.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:20:42 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#13629: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:14:41 PM

[up][up] I wasn't talking about infants, I didn't see the previous posts. I just figured "1" is an average Tuffle level.

Lack of decimals can be explained by rounding.

Also, after all that crap about not even real life being consistent you sure are making it a big deal that Dragon Ball isn't consistent with real life science that isn't really represented in Dragon Ball.

Everything I know about science makes me want scientists to stay the fuck away from fiction. Bunch of killjoys.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:16:18 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13630: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:17:02 PM

I mean. Goddammit, maybe they actually fucking conduct photosynthesis. And that's why they're green. Because chlorophyll.

Or. On Namek they seemed like they grew something in gardens. And Mr. Popo knows how to cook. So maybe they normally eat at least a little bit more and Piccolo is just ridiculously malnourished.

There are theoretically scientific concepts there that are applied in insane ways.

But god everything to do with fucking power levels is painful to me. It tries to sound important and is utterly meaningless.

And I think when I heard the thing about "special hybrids" from Saiga it actually fucking broke me.

And since that day I have rather openly planned the destruction of Saiga, Shonen Jump, Toei, Toriyama, the nation of Japan, and the planet Earth. In no particular order.

Also, after all that crap about not even real life being consistent you sure are making it a big deal that Dragon Ball isn't consistent with real life science that isn't really represented in Dragon Ball.

God it is too late right now for me to explain my entire worldview.

I'd prefer to describe it as nuanced. Knowing how these things go one of you will probably describe it as incomprehensible.

Paradoxical I would accept though.

I would, however, briefly point out that Toriyama seemingly tries to use things that sound scientific sometimes. And I can tolerate the Cell garbage because it's entertaining.

Everything I know about science makes me want scientists to stay the fuck away from fiction. Bunch of killjoys.

So I can't have hobbies then?

sad

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:25:01 PM by unnoun

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#13631: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:22:24 PM

Didn't Turtle have a power level of 0.001 or something? Or was that just in the Anime? And didn't he beat up two guys? So they must have an even lower power level! Or equal to his. I don't know how power levels work, it's to confusing for me to even bother caring. I just want to see people punch each other, maybe blow some shit up while they're at it.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:24:12 PM by Raven666

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#13632: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:23:12 PM

To be fair, the power scaling is weird in this series anyways. The power level of Frieza's full power is x226.4 more than his first form, but Goku could have ultimately destroyed Frieza as a Super Saiyan with relative ease with a full power that was only 25%/1.25x greater than Frieza's.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:23:47 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#13633: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:28:40 PM

They explain that they had gardens and farming as part of an effort to restore Namek to its pre-drought beauty.

It's weird to say you're going to destroy me and then take issue with the idea that you can't have hobbies.

[up][up] Both are examples of filler, and from different moments in filler. They have different writers so that's why turtle is portrayed in two completely contradictory ways.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13634: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:33:00 PM

...Granted, there are scientists who I would also describe as killjoys with regards to fiction based on their behavior.

I'm actually often fond of bad fictional science that at least sounds like it's by someone who knows what the hell they're doing or thinks about the way science actually works.

Consistency and continuity are overrated, but there is value in consistency in the sense that stories do need to keep you guessing. And it needs to present you with certain knowledge. Sometimes it will subvert your expectations but it still needs to build those expectations.

Serialization changes that a bit.

...I will say that the things I hate the most, power levels and that goddammed "special hybrids" fuckery is limited to outside materials like guidebooks a lot of the time. So there's that. That's nice.

It's weird to say you're going to destroy me and then take issue with the idea that you can't have hobbies.

I'm very weird! You should know this by now!

After my first post in a given thread even! I'm not trying to hide it!

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:34:17 PM by unnoun

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#13635: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:34:42 PM

[up][up]That makes sense. You'd think there'd have been some kind of meeting or even some notes to keep things consistent. Granted Turtles power level isn't important but it'd be nice not to have things change without a given reason. Maybe he trained or something, I dunno.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:36:24 PM by Raven666

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#13636: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:35:29 PM

Except that means those things are "official" though.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13637: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:35:31 PM

[up][up]I mean. There might have been years between the two incidents.

The manga itself took over a decade.

Except that means those things are "official" though.

Death of the Author.

All fiction is inherently creationistic in nature.

I am very fond of deicide.

EDIT: So. I guess the best way to describe how the "special hybrids" thing affects me is that I've got a thing about bad science sorta like abridged!Freeza's thing about heroic speeches.

And the garbage about special hybrids is like being decked in the shnoz. It's a new one.

And it's actually especially asinine.

It's sorta like something that used to be science about how you inherit acquired traits, but. Super Saiyan and tails are both species traits. Making the trait for one turned on really should not have anything to do with what you pass on. And really shouldn't make it so you don't pass on the other.

And it's just. It's really asinine and weird for me.

edited 3rd Apr '15 7:39:44 AM by unnoun

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#13638: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:44:37 PM

Maybe it's not so much that going Super Saiyan modified their genes as it is their sperm went Super Sperm during the conception? tongue

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13639: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:49:09 PM

How about no.

And that still shouldn't affect having or not having tails!

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#13640: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:55:24 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] You are implying a lot more care than what goes into moments like those.

I just really have to disagree that stories need to present a reader with certain knowledge. It sounds a lot like saying there is a bare minimum of scientific knowledge needed to be an author, which is ridiculous due to how unrelated the two fields are.

Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#13641: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:55:27 PM

[up][up]Don't know if it was mentioned already but wasn't it said that tails were recessive in Half breeds? I'm assuming this conversation is about Goten and Trunks not having tails. I kinda stopped paying attention after Turtles power level.

[up] I'm pretending those that made the episodes cared enough to try keeping their facts straight. Might have an easier time convincing myself the show is about unicorns and faeries engaged in bloody warfare with goblins that want the Goombas supply of life giving pretzels.

Also, can Saiyans choose not to turn into an Ape when looking at a full moon or whatever else would cause the transformation? I'm trying to give my Saiyan a reason as to why she doesn't have a tail and if they just transform weather they want to or not, i'm going to have it so that she cut off her own tail due to hating having no control over her Ape form which led her to train herself harder in order to compensate for not being able to ape out and destroy shit.

edited 2nd Apr '15 9:58:35 PM by Raven666

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#13642: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:59:28 PM

It's never implied they can control the act of transformation. Vegeta makes the process sound involuntary.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#13643: Apr 2nd 2015 at 9:59:48 PM

Death of the Author needs to go die in a fire, if only because "It is important to note that, despite the title, Barthes never says that the author's own interpretation is completely unimportant; just that the author's interpretation is only one of many possible interpretations. This also does not necessarily mean that every interpretation is equally valid — an interpretation that is based on a flawed, incomplete and misunderstood reading of the text is always going to be flawed, incomplete and misunderstood no matter how much this essay is raised in protest."

Just because you have an opinion on something, that doesn't mean it's valid or even right.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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#13644: Apr 2nd 2015 at 10:00:51 PM

[up][up]Then I guess my Saiyan cut off her tail.

edited 2nd Apr '15 10:01:23 PM by Raven666

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#13645: Apr 3rd 2015 at 4:10:00 AM

Namekians are green, single-gendered space magicians that can spit out eggs despite having child-sized holes in their bodies. I have no problem with them only needing to subsist on water.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13646: Apr 3rd 2015 at 4:11:52 AM

I really should stop saying things right before I go to bed. Being tired never helps.

I just really have to disagree that stories need to present a reader with certain knowledge. It sounds a lot like saying there is a bare minimum of scientific knowledge needed to be an author, which is ridiculous due to how unrelated the two fields are.

Stories have to present the reader with knowledge about themselves.

I've learned a lot about how narrative works by hanging with English majors. Some of my online friends in particular.

Continuity isn't storytelling proficiency.

Stories are not gossip about imaginary people and depend on metaphor.

Just because you have an opinion on something, that doesn't mean it's valid or even right.

...Fair enough.

Not sure why any of what you said means the literary concept needs to die in a fire.

Death of the Author.

edited 3rd Apr '15 4:23:38 AM by unnoun

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#13647: Apr 3rd 2015 at 6:28:39 AM

wild mass guessGoten and Trunks were born without tails because there was no moon orbiting Earth during their development. With no Blutz Waves in the environment, tail development was never triggered.wild mass guess

wild mass guessNamekians can subsist on only water, but the warriors will eat meat and such, which they use to store the proteins and such needed for regeneration.wild mass guess

edited 3rd Apr '15 6:29:02 AM by Enlong

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#13648: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:14:07 AM

I'm content just to say "Alien Biology" and be done with it.

They're from a planet with blue grass, minimal fauna, huge oceans, and three suns rendering night a virtual if not literal impossibility. Namekians might not even be carbon-based.

edited 3rd Apr '15 7:15:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#13649: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:18:18 AM

I'm sorry I was mean last night guys.

Anyway. If there's a sequel to Xenoverse I kinda hope they fix some of the things with acknowledging character gender. And race, actually.

...And have the custom characters talk in story mode. Probably just have a generic script with a handful of dialogue options, to be honest. Maybe the different voices would have slight variations, with some additional slight variations depending on race and gender.

I mean. I would love to have voice 8 make a comeback and basically turn everything into the abridged series with Lani and Kaiser in the booth helping. Granted, not sure whether they'd pay them for that.

I imagine either Lani and Kaiser did that pro bono or they all had to split Taka's check three ways.

Admittedly all of that would require a fairly substantial amount of work.

Also, the character creator stuff.

edited 3rd Apr '15 7:33:32 AM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#13650: Apr 3rd 2015 at 7:39:21 AM

I only have a problem with Death of the Author because of this, "It's important to note that this does not mean 'there's no such thing as canon for a work's events', which is a common misinterpretation of this used to justify Canon Defilement. We're completely aware of the irony in telling you how not to interpret it, but putting it in practice this way is just generally a bad idea."

This just makes it something that people will wind up abusing.

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