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Care to explain beyond an impossibly vague statement?
Also, regardless of how you view it, everything is still a sequence of events due to this little thing we call time. Unless you believe that everything happens simultaneously.
edited 31st Mar '15 11:33:02 AM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Fairy Tail. Erza is an insane badass in it. Same goes for the mangaka's previous work, Rave Master. Even if Elie was only rarely a badass, there was another female character much later who was insanely badass.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I think I'd like to check some of those out.
Dragon Ball definitely has issues with its unity of narrative. Then again, given the fact that it's incredibly serialized. I mean, it kinda has to do its own thing.
Also, yeah, god does it have problems with the way it treats female characters.
...Also also, I have discovered a new circle of hell. It is called Super Saiyan Bargain Sale.
Fuck you too Goten.
It's just hilarious. She's hit with this curse that steals all of her senses and she still proceeds to beat the ass of her opponent. It's been established Erza has a magic eye that sees through illusions, but other characters ponder how she can do it. The explanation? "Because she's ERZA!"
Loved it.
Dragon Ball is nowhere near as bad as your usual shonen in terms of having useless females.
You know what's stupid?
Thinking that people who aren't fighters aren't relevant.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariIt's a fair criticism. Outside of Bulma, Dragon Ball's women contribute very little to the story. Even Android 18 managed to get demoted from one of the two main antagonists and impressively curbstomping Super Saiyan Vegeta to Damsel in Distress needing to be protected from Semi-Perfect Cell before her introductory arc was even finished, while Chi-Chi mostly exists to be an obstacle.
By contrast, Nail and Dende were woefully outclassed by Frieza but still managed to contribute to the warzone Namek became in critical ways - and Dende was a child.
edited 31st Mar '15 12:31:31 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The Frieza Saga still gave me a very healthy hatred for Bulma. All she was good for was contacting her dad to get Goku on his way there and for endless bitching.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!She repaired and modified the Nameless Namekian's ship and piloted the group to Namek, whereupon the Krillin and Gohan used her Dragon Radar that she invented to track down the Dragon Balls.
Granted, she didn't have much else to contribute after that because she was completely out of her element and lacked the skillset to fly around the world fighting dudes, but I'd say she made up for that when she ended the threat of the Androids forever - not only bringing Trunks into the world but equipping her child with the Time Machine she invented, which allowed him to both create the new timeline and train with his father in the Room of Spirit and Time so that he could come back stronger and destroy the Androids in theirs.
Bulma may not be able to physically move mountains and is unable to keep up an active presence when the action picks up as a consequence, but the heroes would be lost without her.
edited 31st Mar '15 1:00:28 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Thing is, you say those things as if they are because they are women.
When... well, everyone becomes a damsell in distress when the big bad shows up, since there's usually all of one guy who can take on the Big Bad.
18 might have been a 'damsell in distress' running from Cell... but it's not like 17, her male brother, would have been any different if it'd been 18 who'd been absorbed first.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
x4 Doesn't stop her from being an absolute bitch during the entire arc and making me hate her more and more with each scene she was in which were largely just padding.
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I just watched the Namek saga. Basically every scene with her has her whining about everything..
I did but it was a couple years ago.
Yeah, Dragon Ball and females...that's a thing that still kinda sucks. Even after DB finished, things didn't get much better (No SSJ Pan, anyone? And turning Pan into a whiny brat?).
Of course, now I'm just realising I can just do fanfics about this stuff, instead. I actually semi-wrote a fanfic about Pan going Super Saiyan. It also includes a scene of Bra trying to style it so her hair goes flat.
...I don't even understand myself sometimes.
edited 31st Mar '15 1:47:06 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

Shonen and progressive gender politics never seem to mix, unfortunately. Except FMA. Which was written by a woman.