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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#12926: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:40:34 PM

Also, I just watched the scene where Goku turns into a Golden Great Ape, and he actually turns into a normal Great Ape first before turning gold.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#12927: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:45:59 PM

I kinda like the idea of Golden Great Ape and SS 4. That was neat.

Vegeta continues to be a bad influence.

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#12928: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:47:09 PM

Man, that Narrator just seems wrong for some reason. I am not looking forward to hearing that guy when I finally get around to watching GT.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#12929: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:47:49 PM

[up][up][up] That is a really weird music choice for that.

[up][up] So did I. I really like how it brought in super early elements and combined them with later elements to tie everything together. That's why I really want Toriyama to use it somewhere (I mean, he did draw SSJ4 Goku so he seems to also like it).

edited 29th Mar '15 3:51:19 PM by Zelenal

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#12930: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:52:34 PM

GT had decent ideas.

Like. The idea of bringing the Tuffles back for revenge.

Admittedly Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans already did it. I think.

...Shit, I need to look that up probably.

The idea of having over-reliance on the Dragon Balls going massively wrong.

The idea of seeing more of the universe.

The idea of villains that can force you to boogie down.

Actually, I kinda like the execution of that as well. TFS Bardock might not like the Para Para Brothers but I so do. They're perfect. That scene is perfect and amazing and the sort of thing the series needed more of.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#12931: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:54:54 PM

Plus, you can use the Para Para Dance on everyone in Xenoverse; seeing LSSJ Broly do it is hilarious.

[up][up] The music choice is the instrumental of the opening for the series; granted it doesn't actually fit the tone of the series at all, I still love the song for its own merits.

edited 29th Mar '15 3:57:51 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12932: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:56:31 PM

You know, i wonder why Shenron turned the Pilaf Gang into kids when they asked to be young again.

I mean, he wasn't a Literal Genie when King Piccolo ask for his youth back.

[up][up]

Wasn't part of it the fact that they rarely made selfish wishes on the Dragon Balls?

edited 29th Mar '15 3:58:30 PM by Cortez

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#12933: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:57:44 PM

Because fuck GT as a whole.

Turning Goku into a kid was dumb.

The other set of dragon balls were dumb.

edited 29th Mar '15 3:58:29 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#12934: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:59:15 PM

What's hilarious is that reviving Frieza involved stealing the Dragon Balls from the Pilaf Gang, which they were most likely going to use to turn back to normal; they just can't catch a break.

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#12935: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:07:48 PM

Where's Tobias? Usually asking him what's dumb about the Cell Saga causes him to rise from his slumber.

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Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#12936: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:14:24 PM

[up][up]Shu is probably happy though.

How can one be certain if they're watching the uncensored versions of Dragonball Z or not? I just started watching from "Goku's Assassin" on Kissanime.com - any recommendations for a better site would be great as this site really fucks up my Internets performance. Can't use Hulu, and Youtube just causes me problems - but i'm not sure if it's the censored version or not. Normally i'd tell by waiting if someone swore some blood showed up but since that doesn't happen every episode - at least I don't think it does - I have no way of telling. I don't need to watch the uncensored version, but some lines just sound weird in the censored versions. For example, in what I think was the censored version of the Bardock movie, when he finds his crew dead the "Oh my gosh!" just sounds comical though that may also be due to the voice actors delivery of said line.

edited 29th Mar '15 4:19:12 PM by Raven666

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#12937: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:25:23 PM

From my experience, Kiss Anime almost always has whatever the latest and/or best release is. Not sure about Z but for Kai, it's definitely uncut as there's blood everywhere. It does turn black on odd occasions but its not censorship, I don't think, because they'll freely cough up blood in the same episode. So yeah.

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#12938: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:28:59 PM

Unless I find a better site, that's good to know for when I start watching Kai. I would just watch that instead of Z but I was already watching Z when DB Zepisode.org started screwing up. Doubt i'll be watching any more episodes though seeing as how Kissanime is screwing up my computer.

edited 29th Mar '15 4:30:27 PM by Raven666

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#12939: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:34:51 PM

I can tell you not to just torrent it. Because that's illegal.

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#12940: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:36:00 PM

It's only illegal if I get caught.

On a serious note, that's just downloading it right? I don't download videos off the internet, don't want to get viruses and what not. Besides, why risk wrecking my computer when I can watch it online for free?

If that's a stupid question, I blame my complete lack of knowledge on all things computer related. It was only a short time ago that I figured out what 'LOL' meant. I had to Google it because everyone thought I was joking.

edited 29th Mar '15 4:42:04 PM by Raven666

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#12941: Mar 29th 2015 at 4:44:58 PM

@ssj3gojira: It was rather impressive that they were able to gather the dragon balls while stuck as kids though.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#12942: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:13:01 PM

They might have built child-friendly versions of their usual mechs.

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#12943: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:41:30 PM

^^^ I'm not up to date on Streaming Laws, but for the most part yes. Streaming anything anywhere except on official sites (Hulu, Crunchyroll, Youtube when viewed on official channels, etc.) is seen as pirating, which is illegal. Especially if a series is licensed in your country. It's not a law that's actively enforced, but if you are caught then like all crimes you can be subject to a possible fine/jail sentence.

edited 29th Mar '15 5:42:43 PM by Spirit

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Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#12944: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:49:42 PM

...Well that's pretty damn stupid. Anyway, I managed to get Hulu to work somehow, do they show the censored or uncensored version of Z? And what the hell is up with Goku's voice in Mystical Adventure?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12945: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:51:41 PM

Depending on where you are, it could very well be illegal to distribute, but not to download.

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#12946: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:54:58 PM

Copyright laws are incredibly weird and complicated.

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#12947: Mar 29th 2015 at 6:01:05 PM

Whatever, Hulu works now so if it's uncensored on Hulu i'll watch it there.

So what outfits get mentors to make comments on them in Xenoverse? I've tried wearing some Dragon Ball outfits in front of Goku, and he says nothing. I figured like Blue's outfit, Kid Chi-Chi's, Baba's or like Launch's would get something but nope. I like Yamcha's comment when you wear his Bandit outfit.

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#12948: Mar 29th 2015 at 6:16:47 PM

I wonder; what is people's main complaint about the Android Saga? Is it the fact that just as the Android threat comes to the fore, the story promptly drops them and introduces a different, totally unforeshadowed problem?

Or is it that the Law Of Escalation is upset? (First ALIENS! then THE ALIENS' BOSS! then... Earth Technology?...)

Or is it something else entirely?

Well, their disruption of appropriate narrative escalation is one of the problems, but there are others. Just off the top of my head:

  • Characterization on the villains is such that the only one of them with any legitimate reason for behaving in a villainous capacity is Dr. Gero himself, and the others don't even have the excuse that they're following their programming when Cell's objectives have little to nothing to do with killing Goku, while 17 and 18 aren't more than five minutes out of their pods when they're like, "F*ck that guy. I'm killing Goku for ME!" 17 even demonstrates his complete apathy towards his design purpose by murdering Gero. In general, the villains showcase their evilness by taking out other villains, which isn't a great way of establishing that they're villains. It's exactly what Vegeta was doing on Namek, only instead of encouraging an Enemy Mine, it's just used to encourage a plot revolving around protecting the villains from each other - partly because unlike Namek, our protagonists have no dog in this race, more on that later.
  • Gero is masquerading here as a returning character when his existence was barely even suggested in the past; his entire connection with the Red Ribbon Army storyline is that an Android existed briefly during the Muscle Tower sequence of that storyline and that Android's creator was never actually identified, except in anime filler where it totally was; the anime writers gave us Dr. Flappe, a peaceful scientist, in a fantastic example of how filler can invent its own plot holes. Already a walking retcon in and of himself, further retcons intended to "fix" the story throughout the Android Saga reduce his behavior from the well-worn cliche of past villain seeking revenge, to complete and utter gibberish. There is no salvaging the characterization of Dr. Gero.
  • The multiple retcons also make nearly every ounce of intel Trunks delivers from the future completely worthless. Everything happens differently than it was supposed to for no reason than because time travel exists, even when nothing that Trunks or Cell - especially Cell, given that he was a cicada for the three years he's been in the present - justifies the massive, sweeping changes to the timeline. Things like Androids 16, 19, and 20 existing or Goku's heart virus not hitting him until months after it was supposed to.
  • On the subject of Trunks, let's talk about that. A time-traveling champion of justice from the future who's also a Super Saiyan at a time when such a thing was still a nigh impossible achievement, is produced by what at the time would easily be considered a Crack Ship, wields a sword despite its complete impracticality because it looks cool, and effortlessly slaughters what was, at the time, the Main Villain so he can turn around and go, "HEY GUYS, come fight MY villain instead, because mine's cooler!" His main character flaw is his glaring lack of flaws, and let's just say that if Future Trunks was a fanfiction character, he would not be nearly as well-received as he has been.
  • The inherent hypocrisy of powering up Vegeta in order to stop Cell from achieving his Perfect Form because Cell is a murderous bastard and can't be allowed to be more powerful - because that was the stakes of this arc: whether or not Cell gets to become strong enough to play in the big leagues with everyone else, by means of killing off the arc's current villains.
  • And on that note, the fact that "Keep Cell from being strong and make sure he doesn't harm the people attempting to murder us" was the stakes of the arc. Granted, as mentioned above, 17 and 18 lacked any real motivation to be villainous, but unfortunately so did Cell; he was given the villainous personality trait of "Evil Sadist" to compensate for the fact that his ultimate goal was just to be powerful and have wicked cool fights with everyone else, which would practically make him one of the protagonists if he didn't arbitrarily want to murder folks for lulz.
  • That Cell even needs 17 and 18 for his Perfect Form in the first place. Not just installing the required components in Cell in the first place seems like an intentional design flaw.
  • Not unlike the intentional design flaw of building Androids in reverse order of power. 16 was Gero's best design, then 17 and 18, and then finally he unleashed his plans for revenge once he had 19 and 20, Androids sufficiently shitty enough to fail in their endeavor. The rationales for doing so are all personality-based; 16 resembled his son according to Toriyama's interviews and was never given a reason for being scrapped in-universe, while 17 and 18 were too rebellious; none of this would be an issue in Android 20. No, seriously, I dare you to tell me why "too much independence" is a drawback for Android 20.
  • Super Saiyans are modular? Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks spend much of the arc trying to find ways to transform into a Super Saiyan that are better than the default design, exploring ways of transforming with more power and bigger muscles and stuff, because apparently the Super Saiyan form has Customization Options. Ultimately, none of them Min/Max as well as Gohan, probably because he's young and all these stats and bonuses and stuff in the rulebook are easier for him to get his head around. More seriously, though, Goku asserts that they can all become greater than Super Saiyan because sure, why not, everyone immediately accepts that becoming a Super Saiyan is only the tip of the Fulfilling the Legend iceberg, and then everyone starts pulling new Super Saiyan forms out of their asses until one of them gets it right. Super Saiyan 2 is hard enough to swallow; Grade 2 and Grade 3 make no sense at all. Why is it suddenly a Skill Tree, complete with suboptimal design choices?
  • Mecha Frieza. The fact that humans, with a battle power of 5 for a hard-working roughneck, can be used as a base to produce a cyborg in a cave with a box of scraps that is so far above what the advanced technology of a spacefaring galactic empire can do with something that was already as powerful as Frieza to begin with.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty of other things I've complained about in this arc, but I'm getting hungry and have more stuff to reply to, so I'll cut it off there for now.

GT had decent ideas.

Like. The idea of bringing the Tuffles back for revenge.

Admittedly Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans already did it. I think.

My biggest problem with the concept of bringing back the Tuffles is that there's not a lot of revenge to be had. Like, if it was the Earth that slighted them or something, that's something, but Planet Vegeta was destroyed and the Saiyans exterminated. There's two left. Consider that a blood debt paid in full. I mean, I guess if they were trying to do a story about the self-destructive nature of vengeance and the futility of seeking penance from those who've done you no wrong, but that's a bit more philosophical than Dragon Ball tends to get.

For the most part, it's an excuse to have aliens get in wicked fights with Goku and Vegeta, and it's a pretty thin one.

Where's Tobias? Usually asking him what's dumb about the Cell Saga causes him to rise from his slumber.

Alien: Isolation and NES Remix teamed up to hold my soul hostage this weekend. [lol]

edited 29th Mar '15 6:21:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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#12950: Mar 29th 2015 at 7:03:04 PM

Thought of a couple more while getting dinner.

  • The Androids never had to be fought in the first place; the protagonists had three years to stop Dr. Gero from making them. Bulma even suggests it. The sole reason they don't is because Goku and Vegeta thought warriors strong enough to slaughter them all sounded wicked awesome and wanted to fight them, and everyone else just sort of went along with it. It wasn't even about the moral implications of killing someone who hasn't technically done the thing you're killing them for yet: just Goku's Insane Troll Logic of "Fighters so great we could never stand a chance against them? Sounds like exactly the kind of thing I want to fight!" Even Trunks accepts this and makes no effort to save the future, opting instead to meet them at the time of the battle and fight the Androids he knows he can't defeat with them. Idiot Ball is the driving force of the arc, sparing no one except Bulma - whose invention of time travel saves the world and defeats the Androids in both timelines.
  • Gohan abruptly abandons his characterization in the middle of the Cell Games in favor of the pacifistic attitudes he hasn't displayed since he was four years old. He just decides he doesn't want to fight anymore, refusing to tap into his full power with Perfect Cell right in front of him, even as his family and friends are being ruthlessly torn apart, and it's only the willing sacrifice of Android 16 that restores his will to fight - because I guess 16 just meant that much more to him than Goku, Piccolo, Krillin, et al.
  • Vegeta putting his Saiyan Boner and Krillin his literal Boner ahead of defeating Cell. The protagonists do everything in their power to maximize the villain's threat potential in this arc, which Cell pays off by putting in a ton of hard work to bring Gohan to his Super Saiyan 2 state.

edited 29th Mar '15 7:07:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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