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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#12876: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:31:52 AM

As far as later shonen heroes being personifications of all that is good, they get more from Kenshiro then Goku.

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#12877: Mar 28th 2015 at 11:46:38 AM

Kenshiro also brutally murders anything that stands in his way, even wolves.

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#12878: Mar 28th 2015 at 12:09:48 PM

For the wolves, it's to survive.

And in a world where strong prey on the weak, being brutal against horrible people is the only way to save others.

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#12879: Mar 28th 2015 at 1:06:29 PM

So what happens if I select "I want to be stronger" - or whatever it is from Shenron's wish list that levels you up - while at level 80? Does it do nothing or does it level up the next character in my list that is not at 80? The only one I need to level up is Gine so I guess that wish is now even more useless than it was before.

edited 28th Mar '15 1:19:13 PM by Raven666

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#12880: Mar 28th 2015 at 2:07:58 PM

That was one of the reasons I loved Battle of Gods - even when becoming a god, Goku wasn't some messianic figure. Piccolo even DOUBTS that Goku is pure-hearted enough to able to become one! If you compare that to other movies...there's a distinct difference to how Toriyama writes Goku and how Toei writes Goku.

That's why I'm excited Toriyama is working on the new movie. Much less Goku ex Machina.

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#12881: Mar 28th 2015 at 6:50:22 PM

Kenshiro also brutally murders anything that stands in his way, even wolves.

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#12882: Mar 28th 2015 at 6:58:56 PM

Hmm... Is that before the Bulma's Balls scene?

Also, how is the Dragon Ball anime? Is it full of filler like DBZ?

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#12883: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:02:20 PM

I haven't seen too much of Dragon Ball, so I don't know.

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#12884: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:07:56 PM

Nitpick. The DBZ anime doesn't have a whole lot of Filler. What it actually has is a bunch of Padding.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#12885: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:12:35 PM

The fish Goku catches in the first scene of the series talks in the Japanese version.

Begs and pleads to be let go.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#12886: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:23:40 PM

All prey would do that if it could.

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#12887: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:24:20 PM

So that's where TFS got it from.

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#12888: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:24:55 PM

Nah, a lot of it would just say "food food food sex sex food sex food food life in danger food sex food life in danger still."

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#12889: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:29:32 PM

Speaking of padding, there's this bit on that page:

In the Freeza arc, Freeza launched an attack at the planet Namek. It didn't destroy it, but it was extremely close to imploding, about 5 minutes away. 5 minutes which lasted several episodes. Parodied in Dragon Ball Z Abridged, when Goku asks Freeza if he even knows what a "minute" is.

It was established long, long ago that the fights were taking place at speeds far faster than any regular human can see (I believe someone said it started as far back as the very first Tenkaichi Budokai) and they only got faster from there. It's even more obvious when someone who isn't powerful enough to see an attack or move isn't present (see when Goku arrived on Namek or when Frieza revealed his Final Form). The fight between Goku and Frieza after Frieza threw the Death Ball (That was a Death Ball, right?) at Namek took five minutes and that's perfectly believable.

On another note, since I've always been confused about it, can someone lay out the official sagas for me?

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#12890: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:34:38 PM

Even WITH that assumption, there's still problems with it. For one, they can't TALK at superhuman speeds, and there's still plenty of dialogue. And the fact is, in less than 5 minutes they must have fought, then Mr. Popo wished everyone back, then Dende wished everyone off the planet, then they fought a bit more, Freeza gets cut in half, Goku spares his life but Freeza tries to kill him anyway, and then Goku manages to find a spaceship to leave just in time.

That's a lot of things that have to happen.

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#12891: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:34:41 PM

@Zelenal: The original Dragon Ball doesn't really have any padding. The filler episodes tend to be problem-of-the-week incidents, or attempts to flesh out certain events (like Kami/Popo's training involving time travel and lightning strikes).

And then there's weird stuff like Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu being con artists with a pet boar. I'm not sure why anyone in production thought that made sense.

edited 28th Mar '15 7:36:24 PM by JonnasN

zsax Since: Mar, 2015
#12892: Mar 28th 2015 at 7:41:33 PM

Ino-Shika-Cho. That was one of the first Dragon Ball episodes I ever saw.

edited 28th Mar '15 7:41:58 PM by zsax

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#12893: Mar 28th 2015 at 9:12:36 PM

There was also a smaller filler arc after the manga finale with Goku and Chichi.

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#12894: Mar 28th 2015 at 9:55:37 PM

[up]I like that one. It was really nice to see Grandpa Gohan meet Chi-Chi and grown-up Goku.

edited 28th Mar '15 9:55:58 PM by TheAirman

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#12895: Mar 28th 2015 at 9:57:34 PM

[up]x5 If you cut the dialog to only what happens in the manga and note that Mr. Popo gathering the Dragon Balls and having that wish granted as happening simultaneously to the fight, it's not that hard to believe. Especially if you take a majority of the fight itself happening in the span of a few seconds (since Krillan and someone else once held an entire fight in about a second in early Dragon Ball). Again, the physical exchanges that you're seeing are only taking a few seconds at most.

Remember how Goku vs Frieza started? You remember then just flashing around the place and colliding on occasions? Every time they collided, imagine them doing the standard DBZ fight stuff before they back off. Then take that speed and multiply it by a factor of at least 50 to get Super Saiyan Goku.

edited 28th Mar '15 9:57:57 PM by Zelenal

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#12896: Mar 28th 2015 at 10:23:03 PM

Yeah, when talking about the manga version it might be possible to fit it (I've seen reasonable estimates that say it'd be close to 5 minutes) but it's the anime version that had people mocking it in the first place.

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#12898: Mar 29th 2015 at 8:43:03 AM

It's easily explainable, though, as Freeza could just have been wrong about it taking exactly five minutes. While I'm certain he's exploded planets that way before... It could also be that he undershot the mark for the five minutes explosion, giving them the wiggle room necessary to have the conversations they did have.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#12899: Mar 29th 2015 at 8:47:48 AM

Isn't the chain of events "You're all going to die!">throws ball>Planet is still there>"I must be weaker than I thought. It doesn't matter, this planet should explode in the next 5 minutes.">Fight>Planet explodes?

edited 29th Mar '15 8:48:10 AM by LordofLore

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#12900: Mar 29th 2015 at 9:42:16 AM

Yep.

So, in Xenoverse, are the clashes whenever two strong attacks connect (I'm assuming that's what's happening) just little cutscenes or do you have to button mash to win it?

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