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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#12226: Mar 19th 2015 at 8:23:14 AM

So long as there's at least two males, Yaoi Fangirls are gonna Yaoi Fangirl it up.

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#12227: Mar 19th 2015 at 8:43:31 AM

Didn't Vegeta even admit that Goku has a natural talent that he'll never be able to surpass :V

Kind of amusing considering Vegeta's first fight was full of him claiming that he was the one with insurmountable natural talent.

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#12228: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:01:31 AM

Vegeta's surpassed Goku three times already - originally when they met, when he destroyed Android 19, and when he used Gohan's Hidden PowerLISTEN  in Battle of Gods. I'm not counting his Majin power-up because a) that wasn't on his own merits and b) it doesn't even count, because Goku was sandbagging.

EDIT: And if that explanation isn't sufficient for how Vegeta could use Hidden Power, I have another one for you that he won the TM in the Bingo tournament.

edited 19th Mar '15 9:05:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12229: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:17:28 AM

[up]x3 Implying girls need them both to be male for yaoi to spring up.

Genderbending can even fix that.

edited 19th Mar '15 9:17:36 AM by OmegaRadiance

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#12230: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:22:37 AM

Well, yeah, but genderbending generally happens the other way around.

...

Which seems to imply men would make prettier women than actual women... And in a great deal of cases, they sort of do...

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#12231: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:30:45 AM

Well Goku was suffering from a Heart Virus at the time, so....I mean once he gets better, he quickly surpasses Vegeta by mastering Super Saiyan.

Vegeta's debut is pretty much the only time he was the undisputed strongest between the two. Afterward, Goku just found smarter ways to get stronger.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#12232: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:49:00 AM

Nah, Vegeta was just equipped with the "My Bulma! How dare you?!" Z Soul.

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#12233: Mar 19th 2015 at 9:50:10 AM

I like to call it the "Pussy Power up"

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#12234: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:02:20 AM

does Cat Loves Food play when the power up activates?

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#12235: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:10:59 AM

[up][up] isn't that the "there's no way we can win! Sob" Z Soul?

Vegeta just has the best Z Souls.

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#12236: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:11:31 AM

I'm not gonna get into this debate again, because I distinctly remember quitting and walking away last time. I'mma just leave some facts and everyone can decide what they wanna believe:

  • The entire Saiyan population produced only 2 Super Elites: King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta, both having under 20,000
  • The bulk of the Saiyan race were low-classes, like Bardock and Raditz. Nappa was a "mid-class" or Elite (of which there existed only 10) and he capped out at 4000.
  • It's said that if Bardock trained and fought his whole life, he'd never climb out of the low-class, despite the fact that Saiyans are ranked based on power level.
  • Goku, in 6 months on King Kai's planet, moved from having a power level under 500 to one of over 8000. King Kai's planet has the exact same gravitational pull as Planet Vegeta, yet Saiyans that fought (and thus used Zenkais) and trained their entire lives on Planet Vegeta were mostly Raditz-level.
  • Vegeta states it plainly that Goku is a genius. Vegeta himself had surpassed his father in power when he was just a child.

Source some of this stuff:

Akira Toriyama: "I haven’t thought it through that far, but Bardock is a low-class warrior. Although even saying that, almost all [Saiyans] were low-class warriors, and there were only about 10 mid-class warriors. And when you get to the elite warriors, there’s only King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta. Bardock is in the upper ranks as far as low-class warriors go, but he isn’t able to become a mid-class warrior."

Neither Goku nor Vegeta are cut from the same stock as regular Saiyans.

edited 19th Mar '15 10:14:43 AM by Cruherrx

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#12238: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:41:57 AM

[up][up]But then they did that special where it turns out that Bardock was the Super Saiyan of Legend all along. tongue

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#12239: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:50:23 AM

That Goku's interest in martial arts and training his battle power is unusual among his kind - and the universe as a whole, for that matter - is well-documented and a product of his upbringing on Earth. In addition to his personality and drive to train his body and explore new ways of fighting rather than just mindlessly throwing himself at enemies, by the time he fights Nappa, Goku has been trained by God, trained by a secret master of the afterlife, and undergone a supernatural Potential Unlock, none of which are applicable to Bardock.

Goku had advantages Bardock never had in both personality and opportunity, and it allowed him to surpass an Elite in battle power while still leaving him inferior to the Super-Elite Prince of All Saiyans. It took relentless grinding in 10x Planet Vegeta's gravity to pass Vegeta.

edited 19th Mar '15 10:55:10 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12240: Mar 19th 2015 at 10:58:16 AM

Didn't Bardock end up with a power level of around 10,000?

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#12241: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:00:05 AM

You know, the fact that the rest of universe really sucks at using ki beyond throwing it around might have something to do with why Goku and Vegeta became so much stronger than everyone.

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#12242: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:11:12 AM

EDIT: deleted post

edited 19th Mar '15 11:35:00 AM by Raven666

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#12243: Mar 19th 2015 at 11:58:31 AM

@Spirit

The TV Special not only isn't really canon, it's never actually stated what kind of powerlevel Bardock has after his Dodoria Zenkai.

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#12244: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:11:22 PM

I hope Dodoria Zenkai notices me...

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#12245: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:23:51 PM

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#12246: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:42:10 PM

I blame Pew Die Pie for that.

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#12247: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:44:34 PM

Rob, your Uchiha is showing.

...

So I heard Tien's Z-Soul from the DLC is immunity to Kamehamehas. Is that true? Because fuuuuuuuuck Parallel Quest 32.

edited 19th Mar '15 12:44:46 PM by TheAirman

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#12248: Mar 19th 2015 at 12:48:22 PM

I mean, this is a dragon ball game.

Immunity to all versions of the kamehameha would be immunity to most of the move list.

So we were talking about race "headcanon" stuff earlier.

I'm also looking forward to this.

Goku gets a little pushy.

edited 19th Mar '15 1:02:31 PM by unnoun

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#12249: Mar 19th 2015 at 1:02:53 PM

I regret nothing.

And yeah, that Z Soul does just that.

You can try it out already, if you want. One of the playable Tiens has that Z Soul equipped. It's "HAAAAAAAAAAH!", if I recall correctly.

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#12250: Mar 19th 2015 at 1:14:24 PM

[up][up]

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