Umami is henceforth a derogatory term for people being too excited and happy to the point of getting on one's nerves.
I mean, hey, bitter also already has emotional connotations in addition to gustatory ones.
edited 18th Mar '15 10:02:41 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!All I've really gotten from this is that everyone in Dragon Ball is cheap. Everyone.
And don't get me wrong, I'm pissed that Gohan is getting shafted yet again, but I understand it's necessary to do the story they want: That of Goku and Vegeta's rematch against Freeza. That's the entire purpose of this movie. It's in the poster, and it's in the merchandise. Everything else is just an ultimately worthless subplot.
edited 18th Mar '15 11:50:57 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!I still don't understand what the point of taking away the Ultimate powerup even is.
Even with it, he's still gonna job to Freeza, so... what's the friggin' point of taking away most of his power, again?
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariIt's because they need at least 1 Super Saiyan. Toei doesn't have the balls to have no Super Saiyans in their movie. It's too iconic. So screw internal logic, we're using Gohan!
(Keep in mind, I have no proof of this. But that's what I feel is the reason.)
edited 19th Mar '15 12:12:01 AM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!I dunno. I'm just trying to get into their head in a complete business perspective. We've seen that shot of Gohan going Super Saiyan in both trailers. It's obviously a bit of a selling point. A lot of people associate Dragon Ball Z with a Super Saiyan. Not having ANY will make it feel a bit...unfamiliar to some audiences.
Of course, Dragon Ball isn't JUST about Super Saiyans. But the latter half of Z is all about them, and that's what a lot of people remember the most.
And, yeah, it's obvious Vegeta is going to have a major role. He's on equal terms to Goku in terms of relevance. He's not second best, he's his equal.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!But. But those are species things.
I mean, genes and species aren't unrelated, but.
I dunno. It's a weird way to describe it.
Gohan never liked fighting anyway, so him focusing on being a father instead of training is perfectly in character.
It certainly makes a more attentive father than Goku.
And i actually like that the humans get a chance to shine again. Because yes, they do have their fans. Nothing wrong with that.
edited 19th Mar '15 5:25:27 AM by Cortez
As it is now the characters in the packs are:
- GT Goku, Pan and GT Trunks
- Mira, Towa, Nova Shenron and Eis Shenron
- Jaco
I think Demigra will be in Pack 3 and maybe Golden Frieza if the movie is out by then. What unplayable characters had actual movesets in the base game when they hacked the game?
edited 19th Mar '15 5:40:00 AM by LordofLore
Re:attentive father. One should remember that, post-Raditz, Goku was continually being thrown at one imminent crisis or another. Choosing to stay dead after Cell was probably kind of selfish in a way, though. Especially since he'd already learned that him being dead is no deterrent to people trying to take revenge on him through his family or planet.
I have a message from another time...Piccolo, Frieza, and the Androids all disagree.
Gohan had a tremendous power to begin with, he just didn't know how to use it. Goku was a tough kid by Earth standards, but he never had a secret hidden power that would boost him to levels greater than even the most experienced adult Saiyans for short bursts whenever he lost his temper. Before he started training, he had a battle power of 10, while Gohan was smashing around a 1,500 battle power super-warrior unprecedented on their planet.
He still wasn't exactly Vegeta-tier yet, and wouldn't be able to make much of it until he trained to master his incredible power, but Gohan might as well have been Frieza as far as comparison to pre-training Goku is concerned.
Strength is basically a result of specialness and training. Goku's specialness and training previously didn't result in him being as strong as Gohan... so his specialness got increased.
That's it. He outright said in BOG that training wouldn't do it, so he went the God route, got to keep it because special, and surpassed Gohan's prime well before training with Whis. Gohan's lack of training is just a means to strip his power (including a form that was never a result of training...) so he can be sidelined further. It wasn't even needed for Goku/Vegeta to get stronger.
That the form is not the result of training doesn't mean his power can't wane. We've already had this discussion about Tien and Krillin: Krillin's lack of training probably did reduce the power he got from Guru, but it is highly doubtful it would have been enough to let Tien or Yamcha catch up to him.
The same assessment holds for Gohan. As you said, Goku and Vegeta surpassing him isn't about his lack of training. His power didn't wane just to make room for them because that is unnecessary. So, from a narrative perspective, if it is completely unnecessary for Gohan to stop training in order to let Goku and Vegeta to take the spotlight, is it possible that maybe there's a different reason for it than "Toriyama hates Gohan and wants his fans to suffer?" Maybe because it's just in-character for him to do that?
A fluke brought on by intense Gravity Training in 100x gravity to raise his battle power and the following consumption of Senzu. It was a fluke that Vegeta got as strong as he did because he was just fighting guys and getting his ass kicked; Goku worked his ass for the explicit intent of increasing his power on his way to Namek and was successful. He may not have known about zenkai, but you can't say his results when he arrived on Namek were anything but the product of Goku's deliberate effort.
I'll grant you Super Saiyan and the God transformation, but with a caveat that the Super Saiyan transformation was only good enough to bail him out the one time; after that, he had to train it and master it. If there's any theme to be taken from the jumbled mess that is the Android Saga, it's that Super Saiyan stopped being good enough almost immediately; once again, the characters had to put hard work and effort into making it work for them.
And the God transformation didn't even give out that one freebie. It failed. Straight-up failed. Super Saiyan God wasn't good enough, Goku could not defeat Beerus even with this massive, free power-up, and now he and Vegeta are training under Whis to get stronger.
Krillin got a free power-up that left him still too weak to compete, Goku learned the Kaioken - Free Power-Up: The Technique - and had to push it to heretofore unprecedented levels in order to get any results from it even against the first opponent he needed the move to overcome, Piccolo got free power-ups on two separate occasions that let him be awesome for a short time before being immediately outclassed again.
I'll add another one, too: the Fusion Dance that allowed Goten and Trunks to become Gotenks, a massive power boost that didn't amount to shit and got their asses kicked by Majin Buu all the same. They had to train hard in the Room of Spirit and Time after getting it in order to have any results come from it.
Yes, free power-ups are plentiful in the universe, but it's not often that they're enough without the hard work Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta frequently put into mastering them.
I was actually going to bring up Ten vs Kuririn. A confirmed case of hard work failing to match someone who slacked off after a free powerup.
Is that what you saw? Because I vividly remember one of those skilled masters defeating Goku in the first Tenkaichi Budokai, to drive home the point that just being naturally talented isn't good enough, he has to keep pushing himself and working harder because there will always be someone more powerful than him.
He lost the second to a skilled martial artist too.
I remember having this discussion before.
They're not mutants.
Vegeta is a super-elite gifted by his amazing genes which is why he so thoroughly outclasses Goku and Gohan when they first meet. Goku was gifted only with garbage genes but learned at an early age to keep challenging himself and never stop pushing his limits, which is why he surpassed Vegeta's special super-elite genes.
If their power was solely a product of specialness, Vegeta would be the insurmountable greatest warrior of all the Saiyan characters, because he is the super-elite Prince of All Saiyans by natural gifts alone - but it was made clear to him on Namek that he can't just coast on that forever. Every time Vegeta has stopped to admire Goku's greatness, it was his personality, not his genes, he was admiring.
edited 19th Mar '15 7:01:38 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Well, the series DOES have a pretty strong yaoi fanbase.
For largely the same reason Sailor Moon has a pretty strong yuri fanbase. When an overwhelming majority of your cast is of a single gender, it tends to create a similar ratio among your ships.
edited 19th Mar '15 7:42:37 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Beating god-Frieza boosts Vegeta's fatal pride again, and he jumps back to the dark side

So... maybe that feeling you get when two very, very stupid people argue, and you can't help but laugh as they flounder about trying to pretend they're smart? Maybe we can call that umami?
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari