You ask me this movie seems awesome, it's got Frieza, Goku, and Gohan getting the shit beat out of him. The only way I could like this more is if it somehow had Bardock too. So i'm just gonna wait for this movie to come out and enjoy it when it does.
In regards to the Xenoverse DLC, my only complaint is it was to short and easy. Does anyone else get the feeling that Yamcha wants his ass kicked? For example "Majins look stupid, but you have so many convenient powers." Why tell a powerful bubblegum creature they look stupid? Maybe he just likes being killed.
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.Why stop at just Bardock? It should also have Broly and a whole 30 minute sequence of him beating Beerus and Whis while every character sucks him off.
At the end, Bardock and Broly go Super Saiyan 5 and Frieza and Cell do a fusion dance.
edited 18th Mar '15 6:19:49 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."Not sure if you're being a dick about what I said or making a joke. I like Bardock, simple as that. So if Bardock was for whatever reason in the movie, i'd think it was awesome though depending on how he's involved, the awesomeness would end there.
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.I probably should be more upset at Gohan being written the way he is, but its been kind of obvious that Toriyama is throwing him under the boss for a while now, so I don't even care anymore... They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character doesn't even begin to describe this type of writing.
Other than that tho, yea leaving out the Buu saga characters is pretty weak. I mean I don't mind the secondary characters getting a larger role either but fuck, cutting characters ain't the way to do it. I feel like I'm going to enjoy this movie less than Battle of Gods.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Why would you expect Fat Buu to be any more reliable at defending the Earth than he was at destroying it for Babidi?
Note that this same character outright endangered the Earth last movie when, after all the hard work Vegeta put into appeasing Beerus, Buu decided he couldn't share even one pudding cup. He'll protect Mr. Satan to his dying breath, but Majin Buu is NOT a heroic champion of Earth who will tirelessly defend it.
As far as Gohan, I can forgive him not training because the main reason that was such a mistake last time is that Goku was dead and Gohan was left to defend the Earth in his absence. Goku's not dead anymore, he and Vegeta are both training under Beerus. Gohan can go have a life if he wants to, because he isn't the Earth's Last, Best Hope anymore.
This is especially true now that Goku and Vegeta are surpassing Ultimate Gohan; why does he need to keep spending all his spare time training as hard as he can to be less powerful than other fighters when he could instead spend that time raising his child like Goku never did.
edited 18th Mar '15 8:19:00 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.My main complaint with the movie is that it looks like they're attempting to deny any growth the characters went through since the Freeza saga. Beside the eponymous villain returning, we see Krillin being bald again, Gohan going back to the bowl cut, the Mystic and Super Saiyan forms going away, Goten, Trunks, Boo and C-18 not-being-in-this-film...
As cool as it is to see Master Roshi, Tenshinhan and Piccolo fight again, the rest is pretty troubling. Character growth is what Dragon Ball is best at, and this movie is throwing a lot of it away. The one actually new thing this movie provides is a tacky recolour.
edited 18th Mar '15 8:38:31 AM by JonnasN
Well, yeah. As Saiga hilariously put it, the F is for Fanfiction. This movie is blatantly pandering to the fanbase of one of Dragon Ball's most popular villains; somebody in the development process wants to make loads of money selling audiences the Frieza Saga a second time. The fact that Frieza is in the movie should be evidence enough of that.
edited 18th Mar '15 8:52:24 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Don't take it personally.
I just like making fun of Broly and Barsock.
The crap Gohan went through:
- Being abducted by Raditz, which he barely remembers short of Goku and Piccolo handling it and Goku dying, having spent his contribution to the fight in a blind rage he didn't recall and the rest unconscious.
- Being trained by Piccolo to ineffectually fight Nappa and Vegeta before Goku showed up and handled it - contributing more to the fight via what he is than what he does, pure enough to rebound the Genki-Dama, Saiyan enough to become the Oozaru, both on Goku's direction.
- Traveling to Namek and being immediately outclassed by everyone and everything, but aided by the timely arrivals of Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo to handle everything. As with Nappa, he contributed a bit, but his contributions were minor and amounted to buying time more than anything.
- Training for the Androids, the first pair of whom were promptly handled by Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo.
- Training for Cell, dropping the ball, and getting Goku killed before successfully managing to win that one.
- Being named the chosen one and getting thoroughly curbstomped by Majin Buu in response.
- Unlocking Ultimate power and immediately passing it to Super Buu, actively making the situation worse until Vegeta and Goku handled it.
"Everything Gohan's been through" has amounted to trying his hardest, failing, and watching his father figures plus Vegeta achieve what he's consistently incapable of. When Gohan has the ball, he chokes. That's been his life since he was four years old, and even the greatest achievement of his fighting career cost him his father. Unlike Yamcha, Gohan is actually a powerful contender, but like Yamcha, Gohan has every reason in the world to bow out of the game because a) he never really wanted this life in the first place, and b) despite how powerful he is, he's just not any good at it.
If he works hard, Gohan can potentially be the strongest warrior in the universe and could probably surpass Goku and Vegeta again, but that's just not who Gohan wants to be and it never has been. All the potential in the universe only means so much to a person whose heart just isn't in it.
edited 18th Mar '15 10:42:03 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.![]()
I'm not talking about in-universe :V
You can twist it anyway you want, but the story very clearly was framed so Gohan would become the new main character. And the only reason that didn't take place was because he was simply not as popular as Goku(or Vegeta).
I did say, yea sure it might be justified in-universe(even tho I don't agree with almost everything you said, but that's opinions and I'm not getting into that) but overall it just screams lazy writing to me for the sake of putting other characters who are more popular in the spotlight.
Now as somebody who actually did like "all the crap Gohan went through" yes, it kind of bothers me to see it go nowhere and have him be demoted to jobber status.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Honestly, I feel like the writers are just rolling with the fandom's Nostalgia Filter at this point. I think the Cell-Era Cast is the most popular rendition, which is why Future Trunks is constantly popping up in expanded media despite his story being completed, Gohan gets his old hair-style back, etc.
To be honest, I'm more bothered that Andorid 18 gets the shaft.
edited 18th Mar '15 11:45:19 AM by Lionheart0
Anyone know if the new outfit prices are so damn high due to like a bug or something? 800000 for one piece of Launch's outfit is ridiculous! Luckily all the other outfits can be earned by replaying the new parallel quests, but even that's fucking annoying due to the whole random drop shit. I don't want to fight Ape Baby 400 times just to end up getting the same item 5 times. If they make a second game they seriously need to consider lowering the drop chance, as well as having like a flag or something so the game knows not to give you 5 of the same item. Once you have a complete set, then the game should start giving out doubles.
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.@Tobias you can justify it in-universe but it just comes down to the writers (in this case Toriyama) making it that way so they can shaft Gohan. I don't care about the in-universe details when it's obvious that everyone writing the guy refuses to use him well.
I can forgive Gohan for retiring. I can't forgive Toriyama for retiring him.
Fat Boo being asleep isn't bad because people expected him to be reliable. It's bad because of the decision to exclude him from the movie. He majorly fucked things up in Battle of Gods but that was good because he was actually THERE and it was funny.
edited 18th Mar '15 1:21:53 PM by Saiga
I do care about the in-universe details, because when you get right down to it, explaining Doylist decisions from a Watsonian perspective is a big part of writing. Yes, Gohan letting his power drop is a Watsonian explanation for a Doylist decision to not make him the focus. Yes, Majin Buu being asleep is a Watsonian explanation for a Doylist decision to leave him out of a film that is intended to be a throwback to a story long before he showed up, and ditto for Goten and Trunks being told to stay behind.
God knows everyone's beloved Cell Saga pulled this crap a lot. That the writers used Watsonian explanations to justify Doylist decisions does not matter because that happens all the time; what matters is whether those Watsonian explanations are consistent with the story and characters.
Gohan let his power drop because he's not too interested in fighting and there are plenty of folks to take that role who are better at it than he is. Does that explanation exist as a consequence of a decision on the writers' part not to make this Gohan Beats Up Frieza: The Movie? Yes. Does that automatically make it a bad explanation? No. Is the explanation entirely in-character for Gohan, a character who has consistently expressed little interest in fighting as well as a desire to do something else with his life? Absolutely.
edited 18th Mar '15 1:29:47 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Its consistent with the characters, but it's not really consistent with the plot. So I don't really understand why I, or anyone for that matter, shouldn't call it out as poor writing regardless.
Sometimes being "in-character" isn't necessarily the best decision if it fucks up established plot points before.
edited 18th Mar '15 1:43:33 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Yah. Kuririn has always been pretty relevant, and he's pretty cool.
This film still excludes Yamcha and Chaozu, so all it's adding is a sexual predator and a character whose only character arc ended years ago.
Cutting out Goten, Trunks and Boo is pretty bad. Yeah, they're all Boo arc characters, but I think that's a terrible reason to exclude them. It seems Toriyama just wants to feature characters from around the Freeza arc, but that's kind of really shitty. We already HAD characters from that period fighting Freeza. Including the characters from after that point would have been the only thing that might be interesting with Freeza's return, because of the ability to have those elements contrast and interact for the first time.
Hell, Goten and Trunks both resemble chibi versions of the two Saiyans Freeza lost to. Missing out on those potential interactions that could arise from it just to see Roshi and Ten take out some nameless grunts is pretty poor.