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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#12026: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:32:44 AM

Goku vs. Cell is one of those rare type of fights; Goku knew he couldn't win, but he never intended to win in the first place. You rarely see that anymore.

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#12027: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:40:44 AM

He could at least claim points for weakening Cell by making him expend some of his energy before setting him up against Gohan, but he wiped out any gains he made in that way when he gave Cell a Senzu, so ultimately all the fight accomplished was testing Cell's power and attempting to build Gohan's confidence by letting him see how powerful he is in comparison to the pair.

The latter didn't work out very well, but not for lack of trying; Goku just didn't really get Gohan and figured he'd be a thrill-seeker itching to fight like Goku was at his age. Besides, nobody could really have predicted Gohan's sudden resurgence of pacifism except Piccolo, who is rather familiar with Gohan dropping the ball when everything's depending on him.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:44:14 AM by TobiasDrake

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#12028: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:46:52 AM

I'd call it a bit of a fumble in writing; Gohan not being a natural born fighter and loving it like his Dad is one thing, actively not trying to fight when there's a threat is another. And Gohan constantly that he will fight if he absolutely has to. Its the entire reason he wanted to become a super saiyan.

So I think the show is a bit too hard on Goku there.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#12029: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:51:10 AM

Ah the goofy unfocused story direction of Androids arc.

Beginning of the arc: "Without Goku we'll all be killed! Gohan? Yeah he got killed by the androids."

End of the arc: "Gohan is the strongest in the universe. It's totally okay for Goku to stay dead because Gohan can take care of any threat that may come."

[up]Yeah, Gohan wasn't that much of a pansy since Sayian arc. In Namek arc he willingly attacked guys way stronger than himself.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:53:32 AM by Shlugo_the_great

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#12030: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:51:20 AM

That's fair. And it's not like it even goes anywhere, really. It's introduced and immediately resolved in the same damn scene.

  • GOHAN: I'm never, ever fighting again.
  • PICCOLO: Goku! How could you not realize that Gohan never, ever wants to fight and avoids causing harm to enemies at every opportunity?!
  • GOKU: Since when?!
  • ANDROID 16: Hey guys, I came back from my tragic death scene to die tragically again. Gohan, you should fight because I'm dead.
  • GOHAN: I will fight with all I have! Thank you, random android who was never important enough for me to bother learning your number.
  • GOKU: Well, I guess that's over.
  • CELL: About goddamn time. I don't know how much longer I could have gone on not killing you guys.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:54:07 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12031: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:54:01 AM

I don't really think you can fault Gohan for choking against Nappa that time. He was five and despite all of Piccolo's bluster, had never fought anyone really trying to kill him before or had seen some many people die right in front of him (don't believe he actually saw Goku die, just told about it).

Against Cell though, he had years of experience, power, and should have learned from Frieza that there are just some who reasoning with isn't an option. That Cell is partially made from Frieza just adds fuel to the fire. Not liking fighting doesn't mean he wasn't aware of what was at stake and the only way to resolve it.

Edit: partially [nja]'d.

edited 17th Mar '15 8:55:49 AM by LSBK

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#12032: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:58:24 AM

And even after Gohan drops the ball against Cell, Goku still has full confidence in him all the way up to Buu saga. It's still doesn't work out but that's kinda admirable of him.

Also, it's interesting that one year of training with Goku was worth ten times more than the sixteen years in Trunks timeline.

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#12033: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:01:03 AM

Well, that one year of training was in the Room of Spirit and Time. Gohan never learned that was a thing in Trunks's timeline, so he was just doing Mountain Training, and as we've previously established in discussions about Tien, Mountain Training is good for f*ck all.

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#12034: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:03:21 AM

I rather like to think that Goku is a good teacher who knew how to bring out his potential.

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#12035: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:18:12 AM

There's that too, and also the fact that Goku is a good sparring partner. Trunks's Gohan had to spar against himself because everyone was dead.

Let's also not discount the fact that Gohan Prime unlocks a transformation twice as powerful as Future Gohan either. He's still well beyond Future Gohan's battle power at that point, but it's still worth keeping in mind.

Super Saiyan 2 Future Gohan would have been in no way ready for Perfect Cell, but would easily have taken on the Androids. How he would compare to Future Imperfect Cell is impossible to tell, given how little we know of his battle power before he nerfed himself to fit in the Time Machine.

edited 17th Mar '15 9:20:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12036: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:21:43 AM

You know, if the androids beat him to near death every time, Future Gohan should be outrageously powerful. He'd Zenkai over and over and over again.

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#12037: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:22:51 AM

He might have reached his zenkai limit on Namek, like Goku and Vegeta did.

IDLE THOUGHT: Did Goku zenkai off of Raditz? Saiyans zenkai when they recover from near-death, but what about when they recover from actual death? Goku's body was healed by God and brought to the afterlife for him, so the body recovered from death; does it zenkai?

edited 17th Mar '15 9:25:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12038: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:25:23 AM

Zenkai's were quietly swooped under the rug after Namek I think, except Cell one time thing. Probably because they were too abusable. Goku got like 33x power up that one time. Imagine if after checking up Cell's power he asked Gohan to shoot him in the chest and then feed him a senzu bean. Bam, he's suddenly able to beat Cell with his pinky.

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#12039: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:27:59 AM

Yeah. Especially when you add Super Saiyan into the mix. Even if Goku only gains, say, 2 million off a late-series zenkai, his transformations make that a 100 million, 200 million, or even 800 million gain in battle power from one Senzu.

Gaining entire Friezas at a time would be pretty damn noticeable even at the point in the series where Frieza can reasonably be used as a unit of measurement.

edited 17th Mar '15 9:28:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12040: Mar 17th 2015 at 10:55:53 AM

I thought it was said somewhere the going super saiyan weakens zenkais. Or is that just a fan justification why they seemingly stopped occurring?

edited 17th Mar '15 12:25:53 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#12041: Mar 17th 2015 at 11:18:43 AM

Pretty sure its fanfiction, nothing has ever been stated in the series.

As for the whole Gohan not fighting Cell thing...honestly, I think that only happened just so Cell would have an excuse to push Gohan to Super Saiyan 2, otherwise he would have never known about it.

They could have just did it another way so it stays consistent within the characterization. Like say, Gohan tries his damn hardest but he still isn't a match for cell. Piccolo rushes in and jobs as usual and Cell notices this spikes Gohan's power a bit and proceeds to go from there. There, the exact same thing happens and nobody is OOC.

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#12042: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:11:20 PM

So just in case anyone cares and was unaware, from what i've found the DLC for Xenoverse is not going to be released today and PC users were not supposed to have access to it yet. I'm not 100% on this information but it'd explain why the DLC still isn't in the Playstation store. Apparently some data was leaked or something resulting in PC users getting some of the DLC content early. So if you did what I did and spent your day waiting for the DLC, you can stop now. From what I found there's still no set release date. There's also a strong possibility that i've been misinformed and am wrong.

EDIT: Yeah so now I think there's like a 95% chance I was wrong. Guess my PS 4 is just a piece of crap, and for some dumbass reason I can't get the DLC. I don't fucking know. I hate tech so much, you don't get these kinds of problems with good old fashion paper.

edited 17th Mar '15 12:21:20 PM by Raven666

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#12043: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:28:08 PM

According to Bamco, Xenoverse apparently shipped...

1.5 MILLION COPIES!!!!!!

All this in under 2 months! With Xenoverse and Resurrection 'F', we are in a new Dragon Ball renascence.

P.S.: God Frieza confirmed for Zenkai Battle Royale!

edited 17th Mar '15 12:29:26 PM by Rinsankajugin

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#12044: Mar 17th 2015 at 12:48:57 PM

[up][up]Do you live in europe? The PS Store usually updates on wednesday in europe with different times for different countries.

edited 17th Mar '15 12:49:11 PM by LordofLore

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#12045: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:01:43 PM

Ya know, since Dimps has already made models and attacks for almost 200 characters, I was wondering if they could use the budget from Xenoverse to spend the next couple of years to spruce up said models and give them complete movesets for the next Xenoverse game. (Or the one afterwards, I dunno)

They have the assets, and now they have the money, all they need is the time.

edited 17th Mar '15 1:03:03 PM by Rinsankajugin

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#12046: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:11:39 PM

If you link that one more time, I'm gonna pimpslap your shit off.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#12047: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:22:21 PM

That's not my list this time, that's actually someone else's list!

Also, more God Frieza and SSJ4 Vegeta!

edited 17th Mar '15 1:24:46 PM by Rinsankajugin

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#12048: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:58:01 PM

Jesus, I find Golden Frieza's design dumber every time I look at him. It might just be the tackiest thing Dragonball has ever had.

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#12049: Mar 17th 2015 at 2:07:13 PM

Wait, Super 17 can absorb ANDROID 16 AND CELL?

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#12050: Mar 17th 2015 at 2:09:17 PM

@Lordof Lore

I live in the U.S. Not long after I posted that I found a link saying Playstation users get the DLC the day after PC and X-Box ones. So hopefully I can grab the DLC tomorrow.

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