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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11951: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:17:46 PM

I'm sure Tien is useful. I can believe that.

It's just.

The other one.

I mean.

Why?

EDIT: Wait, does that mean immune to all versions of the Kamehameha?

Because that'd be an immunity to like a fourth of the moveset.

And I know I'm exaggerating, but not by enough.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:23:09 PM by unnoun

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11952: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:21:22 PM

Unfortunately, he actually has a fanbase who would like to learn from him.

Based on the wording I believe it is. Which is pretty significant for the missions where AI spam Super Kamehameha.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:23:59 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11953: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:23:26 PM

Truthfully, the reason I made no attempt to try and defend Yamcha is the same as the reason you don't try and ice-skate up hill, or get in a head butting contest with a titanium wall.

Why fight a battle you're not going to win?

That and the fact that I'm well past the point of deluding myself into thinking Yamcha is anyone important.

Edit: And the fucking auto correct keeps changing his name. That's how valuable he is.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:24:02 PM by HandsomeRob

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11954: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:30:38 PM

I mean, Tien and Krillin stayed a little relevant occasionally as things went on.

Pan was useful throughout GT. For a good chunk of things. It'd have been nice if she'd had Super Saiyan, but, y'know.

Yamcha though.

I mean, if he could teach us how to make comebacks, alright, sure, this is a useful skill that every truely great warrior must know.

I mean. Screw Beerus and Whis, Yamcha probably caused more destruction with that pun then has ever been conceived of before. The reason there's only twelve universes is that with that sentence, Yamcha killed all the other ones.

King Kai should have immediately descended from the Otherworld to make this comedy genius his most beloved pupil of all time.

But otherwise.

Nothing Yamcha knows that is actually supposed to be a martial art technique is any good.

I do not think there is anything he can teach that will meaningfully improve the fighting skills of anyone.

Again, Hercule would be an improvement.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:37:35 PM by unnoun

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#11955: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:37:51 PM

Hey, i'm looking forward to Train under Tien, really want to learn that volleyball fist.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11956: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:41:56 PM

Alright, so that's three useful techniques. Good. That's a mentor character.

Here's an idea: learn how to shapeshift from Puar. That would be neat.

I genuinely think Puar and Oolong have more to offer than Yamcha does in all fields other than incredibly bad puns.

The true master of awful puns is obviously Toriyama himself though.

His ultimate attack started in 1984 and has never truly completely ended ever since.

It is a death of a thousand cuts from which there is no possibility of escape or reprieve.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:45:42 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11957: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:50:15 PM

I like Yamcha's spirit ball attack, it's a shame it, like many other earlier interesting moves, couldn't keep up to snuff.

Yamcha jokes aside, if you can buy Tien being useful I'm not sure why Yamcha is such a stretch, whether Tien managed to cling some semblance of relevance longer than Yamacha doesn't change the fact that they ended up in the exact same position when all things are said and done.

Edit: And really, Hercule would be better? That's just silly.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:51:19 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11958: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:56:03 PM

Hercule knows the basics.

And how to work a crowd.

Hercule's charisma is one of the most powerful forces in the entire universe. That's nothing to sneeze at.

The Solar Flare and the Kikoho have some use. The Dodonpa and Volleyball Fist too.

The Wolf Fang Fist isn't that great and the Spirit Ball is.

I mean.

He never hits anything with it.

Ever.

He is constantly missing.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:59:34 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11959: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:59:32 PM

And Yamcha doesn't know the basics? I'm not even saying Yamcha's good but to say he's a worse martial artist than Hercule is ridiculous.

I fail to see what charisma or working a crowd has to do with anything.

Are you actually being serious?

edited 16th Mar '15 5:00:58 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11960: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:00:35 PM

He started off as a bandit living basically by himself. Hercule is at least a legitimate martial artist.

Charisma and working a crowd lets you kill Kid Buu.

Without it you're fucked.

Image and Spectacle are truly unique and necessary talents. Essential.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:01:56 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11961: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:02:08 PM

Which has nothing to do with martial arts. Nothing useful Hercule did ever had anything to do with his actual martial arts skills so I'm not sure what you're point is. Also, Yamcha trained with Roshi.

I can't believe this is an actual conversation.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:02:56 PM by LSBK

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#11962: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:03:07 PM

Satan's ability to work a crowd is the reason Kid Buu was defeated

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11963: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:06:18 PM

I didn't deny that, again, that has nothing to do with his actual skills as a martial artists which is what I thought was being debated here.

To say that Hercule/Satan is a better martial artists than any of the "Z fighters" (man that feels weird calling them that), is ridiculous.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11964: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:06:52 PM

Which has nothing to do with martial arts.

Bullshit. It has everything to do with martial arts.

Nothing useful Hercule did ever had anything to do with his actual martial arts skills so I'm not sure what you're point is.

And yet it's still something Hercule teaches your playable character about in Xenoverse.

It's not formal or a skill but it's probably the best thing he has to offer. And it's so unique, because literally no other character in the series knows how to do it.

Hercule is a god of PR.

I mean, no, it's not the same as being Whis or Beerus or something. We can't all be at that level.

But being able to get a lot of people on your side is nothing to sneeze at. Especially when techniques like the Spirit Bomb that are literally powered by voluntarily given energy are around.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:09:00 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11965: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:08:09 PM

Yeah, I'm done with the conversation. I just can't respect the point you're trying to make.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11966: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:09:26 PM

It's fine.

I can't respect anyone here when you're talking about power levels.

It happens.

I didn't deny that, again, that has nothing to do with his actual skills as a martial artists which is what I thought was being debated here.

To say that Hercule/Satan is a better martial artists than any of the "Z fighters" (man that feels weird calling them that), is ridiculous.

I don't know that I meant to say that.

He definitely has more to offer a prospective student than Yamcha does though.

I mean, sure, Yamcha knows the Kamehameha. So does almost everyone else.

Also:

"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

Sun Tzu said that, and he knows more about fighting than you because he invented it.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:11:00 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11967: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:11:05 PM

What do you mean you can't respect discussion about power levels? Really, the Yamcha jabs lost zest with me awhile ago.

Edit: He invented fighting? So, there really is no point in discussing anything with you?

edited 16th Mar '15 5:12:07 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11968: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:13:13 PM

I don't dislike Yamcha as a character.

...I just don't think I really want my character to learn things from him.

And I kinda despise most power level discussion and will defiantly embrace any subversion of it.

[Can the personal attacks, unnoun - Septimus Heap]

edited 16th Mar '15 11:42:49 PM by SeptimusHeap

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11969: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:15:28 PM

First off, it's a game, the character can learn whatever they program it to learn, secondly, real mature.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11970: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:16:23 PM

I think there's a difference between learning the Wolf Fang Fist and Spirit Ball and learning them from Yamcha.

Not in terms of mechanics, mind.

secondly, real mature.

Said the pot to the kettle.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:17:02 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11971: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:17:01 PM

Yamcha jokes aside, if you can buy Tien being useful I'm not sure why Yamcha is such a stretch, whether Tien managed to cling some semblance of relevance longer than Yamacha doesn't change the fact that they ended up in the exact same position when all things are said and done.

Yes, but the fandom does find joy in mocking Tien. At this point, both the Japanese Fandom and the American Fandom take any and every opportunity to point out what a joke Yamcha is. While it's kinda over done, it's also true, and people find it funny. I'm pretty sure even Toriyama has no respect for him.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11972: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:17:43 PM

I mean.

It's kinda weird how much Gohan looks like Yamcha in Resurrection of F.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#11974: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:19:10 PM

[up][up]This explains why he gets beaten in the trailer. Just looking like Yamcha is enough to bring him down.

edited 16th Mar '15 5:19:18 PM by Shlugo_the_great

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11975: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:20:22 PM

[up][up] "pot calling the kettle black" is an expression used to highlight hypocrisy.

I was being coy.


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