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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#11851: Mar 14th 2015 at 10:03:53 PM

[up][up] What are you talking about, Super Saiyan Goku would be miles ahead of Frieza by the Cell Saga, especially with all the escalation that happened.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Manaic Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#11853: Mar 14th 2015 at 11:08:50 PM

The thing is, he's assuming that it is "Full Power Freeza" when there's no real reason why the Supreme Kai would know how powerful Freeza really is since the only person to ever push him that far was Goku.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11854: Mar 14th 2015 at 11:47:13 PM

Ya know, it's funny, Goku has gone through so many transformations and power-ups, each getting crazier and crazier, that now that he's at his most powerful, his latest form is just a light aura change. No long rocker hair, no blonde or red hair, no blue/green/red eyes, no height changes, no caveman brows, no giant muscles, no slim body, no monkey fur, no anything.

It's like he transformed so much that he looped back into himself.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11855: Mar 14th 2015 at 11:48:53 PM

It'd be funny if it wasn't stolen from somebody else in the series.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#11856: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:02:00 AM

Sometimes when things get too ridiculous, you have to regress. It's the only way to continue.

Kind of like a heroic version of the Bishōnen Line.

And it's not really stolen from Gohan. Gohan's shtick was that he always had the power within him, that's why he didn't need to go Super Saiyan. With Goku, it's just the whole "he's gotten so powerful it doesn't even cause physical change anymore".

edited 15th Mar '15 12:03:27 AM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#11857: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:02:04 AM

[up][up] Not really, Gohan's thing at least gave him a hairstyle change and was more of him having access to all of his hidden potential. Goku's thing is just an aura with no hair change whatsoever, and it's less him using all of his hidden potential at once, and more him having access to all the godly power he had as a Super Saiyan God in his base state. Really, saying they're the same is basically ignoring the differences.

edited 15th Mar '15 12:04:00 AM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11858: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:11:55 AM

Oh yeah, Ultimate Gohan has SSJ2 hair w/o the blondness.

Also, I looked at the latest Dragon Ball Heroes opening again, and noticed that not only does Goku use SJTSG, but so does Vegeta. I'm not sure if his card has the form, but he surely has it in the opening.

edited 15th Mar '15 12:12:31 AM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11859: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:16:48 AM

One is being able to access the Super Saiyan power without being a Super Saiyan.

The other is being able to access the Super Saiyan God power with being a Super Saiyan God.

Yes, there's a minor hair difference in Gohan's case, but that really isn't enough of a difference for two things which shouldn't have anything in common.

[up] Can you link the opening?

edited 15th Mar '15 12:17:30 AM by Saiga

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11860: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:26:00 AM

God Mission opening, about 1:04 in:

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11861: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:31:14 AM

Could just be a normal aura. Looks no different from the standard white aura used all over the place.

But wow the animation for those things is getting cheaper and cheaper.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11862: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:33:19 AM

Exactly, in game, that's the transformation. That's a "Saiyan That Surpassed God." (SJTSG)

Also, the cheap animation is due to the Toei workin' hard on the movie.

edited 15th Mar '15 12:34:11 AM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11863: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:35:31 AM

No, I mean you can't conclude that is the new form or that Vegeta will have it. They've used that aura all over the place, it could be just meant to represent them normally.

Too little information to base that off.

Nah, the cheap animation is because Namco and Toei are both fucking cheap. Toei do not work hard.

edited 15th Mar '15 12:36:23 AM by Saiga

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#11864: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:48:36 AM

I hope they tone down the whole Super Saiyan God business in the new movie. While I loved Battle of Gods, I still can't wrap my head around Super Saiyan God - what it is, and how it's more powerful than, say, SSJ 3. My old headcanon, that "Beerus, as a god, can only be hurt by other gods", has apparently been proven wrong, so now I'm confused again.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11865: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:53:02 AM

Eh, touche on the Toei part.

But still, the fact that they even gave the form a name is something, ain't it? They would've called it Unlocked Potential if it wasn't. In fact, here's the form in gameplay (5 minutes in):

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11866: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:58:19 AM

It's something but it doesn't necessarily match up to what they were doing in the trailer. For example, Freeza doesn't use his God form in the trailer despite that already being revealed.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11867: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:01:53 AM

Actually, they revealed God/Gold Frieza after Dragon Ball Heroes updated. I don't even think Frieza's secret card in this batch has the God/Gold form. It'll probably be in the next update.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#11868: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:04:32 AM

[up] Perhaps along with Ro F Gohan, Krillin, Roshi, and maybe Jaco? (I'd say Piccolo but he looks exactly the same)

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11869: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:05:51 AM

Actually Jaco already has a card in this update. I dunno about the others though.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11870: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:06:34 AM

I thought Gold Freeza came before these promotional cards with the new Goku and Veggie.

In fact I'm sure of it, because people were wondering why there wasn't a Gold Freeza card when the cards were first revealed.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11871: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:18:25 AM

Looking back, it seems that God Frieza was introduced right after Dragon Ball Heroes updated, one day afterwards.

edited 15th Mar '15 1:19:28 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#11872: Mar 15th 2015 at 2:29:24 AM

Yeah, so it makes sense they didn't show Gold Frieza yet.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11873: Mar 15th 2015 at 5:31:58 AM

I kinda hope Xenoverse gives Pan the ability to go Super Saiyan in that DLC.

It's only as bullshit as SS 3 and SS 4 Broly.

One of the very few things I liked about GT was Pan. I only liked her sometimes because goddammit GT, but.

And I liked the Shadow Dragon arc, actually. So I'm actually kinda glad that Omega Shenron has showed up in a lot of games. He's fun.

It's nice to have the dragon balls bite our characters in the ass. And also nice that there's so many references and call-backs to a bunch of the wishes from the series.

...The only thing I can say I liked about the Baby arc was that the Golden Oozaru and SS 4 stuff was kinda neat, and that it was nice to see Bulma and Vegeta taking over the world like you just know they've always been secretly planning to.

And I started rambling.

...Is the DLC actually going to add new story stuff? Because. On the one hand, that would risk admitting that GT actually happened, and, ew, no.

I suppose as an alternate timeline it's fine.

And I like how Xenoverse has given a lot of potential explanation for things.

Like, Episode of Bardock can make sense because of some other timeline where a wormhole opened and things.

edited 15th Mar '15 5:33:59 AM by unnoun

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#11874: Mar 15th 2015 at 5:36:19 AM

Btw the newest patch notes for Xenoverse:

  • Added data for Dragon Ball GT Pack 1
  • Fixed English dialog and subtitle inconsistencies
  • Fixed issue where “Reversal” evaluation could not be earned in Quests
  • Fixed issue where some materials could not be earned in Quests
  • Fixed issue where player could not be revived from downed state
  • Implemented online event functionality
(GT Pack 1 is GT Goku, Pan and Trunks)

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#11875: Mar 15th 2015 at 10:29:07 AM

I think he means base Goku.

Right. When Goku - who is weaker than Frieza - becomes a Super Saiyan, his power increases 50x. In that state, he is more powerful than Kaioshin, who is claimed to be 1,000x stronger than Frieza. That math is impossible, which supports Saiga's claim that the 1,000x is just a shoddy translation, as well as IANCE's idea that he's just comparing himself to First Form. However strong Kaioshin is, it must be less than 50x Frieza's full strength for him to still be outclassed by Super Saiyan Goku.

Not really, Gohan's thing at least gave him a hairstyle change and was more of him having access to all of his hidden potential. Goku's thing is just an aura with no hair change whatsoever, and it's less him using all of his hidden potential at once, and more him having access to all the godly power he had as a Super Saiyan God in his base state. Really, saying they're the same is basically ignoring the differences.

Y'know, Frieza was doing the "My ultimate form is a sleek and elegant design unlike the bestial and monstrous transformations previous," thing long before the Saiyans jumped on the bandwagon.

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