Getting Super Saiyan was easy.
But getting Super Vegeta is just.
Ugh.
I've gotten down the part of how to get Vegeta to go Super Saiyan for the Ultimate Victory thing. But getting the actual skill itself to show up is so annoying.
...Protecting Hercule from Perfect Cell isn't the easiest thing in the world either.
EDIT: Oh my god, powered up Hercule is the best thing.
It's beautiful.
edited 14th Mar '15 4:15:10 PM by unnoun
Kaioshin being 1,000 times stronger is not in the original. He is stronger than Piccolo, and stronger than the minions Vegeta and Goku killed. His fear stems from the Saiyans being too casual, because if they get injured not taking things seriously it'll help revive Majin Boo.
He's weaker than all the adult Super Saiyans though.
He's definitely stronger than Freeza, though. Actually, being one thousand times stronger than first form Freeza probably isn't that big of a stretch. I mean, he's stronger than Piccolo, who has to be quite a bit above Androids 17 and 18 (since he has trained to go up from the time he fought 17 equally), who, in turn, make Freeza look like a joke.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariI wasn't talking about the power thing.
I meant the thing about knowing things and doing math.
Gods are still typically good at that.
Of course, Beerus still has the power thing, but.
I mean, the Kais are the gods of creation to his destruction.
Mind, I always thought King Kai not being able to do the Kaioken was sorta asinine.
edited 14th Mar '15 6:11:35 PM by unnoun
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meant. The point is for all the talk of power escalation, it never got to the point were I could every say "Yeah, this is believably a thousand times stronger than Frieza." Beers and a Super Saiyan God I could believe that, but not for the Supreme Kai, especially when it has no based on anything other than a line he apparently didn't actually say.
edited 14th Mar '15 6:14:21 PM by LSBK
So.
Thinking about it, I can't remember any of the characters that can sense energy mentioning what the power levels of the Kais, Supreme or otherwise are like.
I mean, the fact that Supreme Kai has to tell Piccolo whatever he says instead of having him sense it.
So do the Kais have Godly Ki but at a lower level?
Goku was able to locate Kaio's ki to use teleport to him. The same for Kibitoshin and Old Kaioshin.
Kaioshin doesn't tell Piccolo how strong he is, but Piccolo is able to tell for himself.
1,000 times stronger than Freeza's full power would be a stretch, but 1,000 times stronger than his first form would just make him 530,000,000 which is perfectly plausible when you consider the Cell arc escalation. I think Piccolo was stronger than that, and Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo. Which is what IANCE was saying, LSBK.
edited 14th Mar '15 7:06:09 PM by Saiga
Now all he needs is a form with rainbow colored Ki that becomes so big it makes the earth and sun look like specks of dust compared to him.
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, but there's nothing in a single post that I've seen.
It would have been an impossible stretch for Kaioshin to be 1,000x Frieza's strength. As Saiga noted, the adult Super Saiyans are stronger than him.
- Kaioshin > 1,000 Friezas
- Goku < Frieza
- 50 Gokus > Kaioshin
Think about that math for a second.
edited 14th Mar '15 9:23:10 PM by TobiasDrake
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Which are, individually, weaker than Frieza. 50 Weaker Thans cannot calculate to equal a total of 1,000 Greater Thans.

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Oh, god, it's like seeing Freeza in the shower. Wait a minute, Freeza's always naked! Nooo!
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!