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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11676: Mar 11th 2015 at 11:39:40 AM

From what I can tell, time travel through science creates alternate timelines while time travel through magic bypasses that and does what Trunks initially thought would happen.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#11677: Mar 11th 2015 at 11:51:07 AM

Hey, how screwed would the gang be if Dr. Gero had the notion to give Bulma's scientific mind to Cell, via Dragon Ball genetics?

Upon finally achieving his Perfect Form, Cell set to his next objective: the perfect boyfriend.

Android 16 was rebuilt to serve the role.

Bulma or even Dr. Gero's scientific mind on Cell would've been an Instant Game Over, because Cell would've just created another pair of androids in secret, and promptly absorbed them, reaching his perfect form without anyone ever bothering him.

Game Over here having the definition of "Surprise Win Condition" if he does that in his own time. Then he can be Perfect in a dead world over there and never bother anyone in the good timeline.

edited 11th Mar '15 11:53:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11678: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:30:25 PM

No, see, even then Cell will still be pointlessly villainous, so he'll still destroy the world.

Why?

No reason. He just felt like it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11679: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:37:59 PM

Wasn't Cell's whole thing about loving seeing the fear on the faces of his victims before he kills them? You could probably chalk that sadism on Frieza and Vegeta.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11680: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:39:36 PM

Okay, Xenoverse is over 140,000 copies sold in Japan so far based off some info I've heard, and based off this chart, it's sold over 145,000 copies in the US. This is counting only numbers from Japan and the US, so if we get some good sales over at Europe and the rest of the world, this means that...

Xenoverse has sold around 300,000 copies over the last month and a half!

Daymm, we haven't seen sale numbers like these since the PS 2 era of DB gaming, seems like things are looking up!

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11681: Mar 11th 2015 at 12:51:38 PM

Well, we haven't seen a game as good as Xenoverse since the PS 2 era, so, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#11682: Mar 11th 2015 at 1:28:05 PM

The whole Original Character aspect and a new storyline definitely makes Xenoverse stand out.

And, while it might be minor, I'm sure TFS's involvement may have increased the US sales numbers slightly.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11683: Mar 11th 2015 at 1:46:44 PM

Speaking of dragon ball and gaming, the first English J-Stars trailer:

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11684: Mar 11th 2015 at 1:57:17 PM

A jump stars game that isn't made just for the gimmick? How bizzarre.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11685: Mar 11th 2015 at 2:52:41 PM

@Tobias wrong. Goku gave up against Vegeta, with no back up plan or anything. He just outright admitted defeat and then assisted Gohan / Kuririn when they showed up.

Giving up against Cell doesn't make the arc shit. Doesn't even contribute, because it was the perfectly logical thing to do.

Goku had someone there who was sooo much stronger than him, that he was actually bored by the Goku / Cell fight. He knew he couldn't win, and knew they'd all die without Gohan fighting

and he DID try. He gave it his all and had so little left he couldn't stand on his feet when attacked by a Cell Jnr. But if he can't win, he can't win.

He also admitted he couldn't defeat the Androids without more training, which kind of is giving up. But it's also the right decision.

Then we've got the obvious forfeit in Battle of Gods. He had no reason to believe Beerus was bluffing at that point, cause Beerus showed no sign of mercy until after the forfeit. Battle of Gods may be shit but this is perfectly in character.

These moments are uncommon but they're not outliers. It's because Goku isn't often put into these situations. Freeza is close, except that Goku had no-one else he knew was more capable and he unlocked Super Saiyan before being pushed as far as he was against Vegeta.

@Gojira It's better to have less information than misleading or incorrect info. I never said you should only cover manga material, and if you look at Kanzenshuu you'll see that they don't do that. Their list of battle powers actually notes conflicts in the manga and has entirely separate sections for each source as well as a combined list.

The problem with Dragon Ball wiki's list is that it mixes contradictory sources and passes them all of as being in scale with each other, while also then applying those figures to characters who don't have official battle powers. So there's unofficial information in there, and facts that are just plain wrong like Super Saiyan 1 Gohan being 3 times stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

It's not about using multiple sources vs sticking to the manga. It's about how they don't provide the appropriate context, and also add unofficial powers themselves.

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#11686: Mar 11th 2015 at 2:59:45 PM

I forgot about the Beerus example.

But he never really gave up against Vegeta. He kept fighting with what little he had left in him, even though it wasn't much; he gave the Genki Dama to Krillin, talked Gohan into looking at the False Moon, and aimed Oozaru Gohan at Vegeta. The body was broken but the spirit was still very willing, and he kept right on fighting Vegeta even when the only weapon he had left was his voice.

Because that's what Goku does. Even when you shoot a hole through his chest and break all of his arms and legs, he will headbutt his way to victory.

edited 11th Mar '15 3:01:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11687: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:20:59 PM

No, he really gave up. He had no idea about Gohan and Kuririn when he said "I give up, you win, go ahead and kill me". Then Vegeta started to crush him, then he got saved so he passed on the Genki Dama energy and mentally advised Gohan. It was them showing up that had him do anything.

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#11688: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:23:15 PM

Ah, but you forget....

...

What you haven't considered is....

...

Don't forget the part where....

...

Yeah, I got nothing.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11689: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:25:25 PM

Don't forget that Vegeta was a monkey.

I wonder if you could placate an Oozaru with bananas?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#11690: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:29:09 PM

This merits testing. Grab Gohan, the moon, and Puar, and meet me at the wasteland.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11691: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:30:39 PM

Man, Saiga always does win this thread. Lucky, I'm in the Bleach thread so he doesn't have total domination there.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#11692: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:36:22 PM

He can't reign supreme forever.

I will train hard, work my mind to bone to surpass the level of Pope. I will become the legendary Super Funk Pope of this thread, which will allow me to list off even the most mundane facts that not even Saiga knows! Like the length of Frieza's tail, the truth behind the model number of Cui's scouter, the name of Dodoria's race, and the name of the three Namekians that tried to fend off Frieza at the beginning of the Namek Saga!

I will not lose!

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#11693: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:37:12 PM

To be fair, in those situations, Goku doesn't really give up so much as he admits defeat.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#11694: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:42:03 PM

I could beat Saiga if I wanted, but that's mad work.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11695: Mar 11th 2015 at 3:52:22 PM

Or you could just do what I do and completely ignore 50% of what he says.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#11696: Mar 11th 2015 at 4:51:03 PM

But da challenge.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#11697: Mar 11th 2015 at 4:53:52 PM

So, I wonder how the movie will turn out. Looks like Goku eats it pretty hard once Frieza transforms, but given its the villain's super new transformation, that's to be expected. I'm surprised at the number of people that think Vegeta is going to be the one to beat the big F, though. After having Goku flat lose to Bills in Battle of the Gods, I think it'd be odd if Goku flat lost to Frieza. That'd be a fun trend, though. Goku never winning the big battle in the new movies. Might give Gohan a chance to -dead- ... Gotenks a chance to be relevant again.

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, I do hope the material gets far enough along that we see an older Gotenks. Like, not necessarily an adult, but maybe a Teen!Gotenks like Teen!Gohan.

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#11698: Mar 11th 2015 at 4:58:34 PM

I don't think any of those trailers even show Goku going Super Sayian. I expect him to be like "Oh yeah, I can transform too." and beat the shit out of Freeza.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#11699: Mar 11th 2015 at 5:02:41 PM

Its been directly stated that he never uses Super Saiyan. Also that he doesn't need it anymore... or something.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#11700: Mar 11th 2015 at 5:05:36 PM

And it's also been directly stated that was a mistranslation, and he only doesn't go Super Saiyan in the initial confrontation.

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