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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11501: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:57:25 PM

Nuuuuuuu don't race lock things that aren't race locked. Especially when they're only used by races other than that race!

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#11502: Mar 7th 2015 at 5:59:08 PM

Humans need something and considering Goku was the only character to only use the move (and even then, it became obsolete the moment Super Saiyan became a thing) I say why not?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11503: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:02:24 PM

"Goku was the only character" pretty much says exactly why not to do that.

Not everyone needs a unique transformation. I main a human in Xenoverse because the auto-ki regeneration is super handy.

If Kaio-ken is made just as good as Super Saiyan/fusion/whatever (even if it differs in function), then it doesn't need to be exclusive to humans as humans with Kaio-ken will be equal to Saiyans regardless of whether said Saiyan uses Super Saiyan or Kaio-ken.

I absolutely loathe the idea of losing options for no good reason.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#11504: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:13:29 PM

What I say is that Humans should have exclusive access to Kaioken x50 and Kaioken x100, while Namekians get a Super Namek 'form', Buus get 'Super' (I want to see Super Dumplin, dammit!) and Freezas get Freeza's new transformation, to make up for the fact that Saiyans get Super Saiyan 1 and two. I'd expect Xenoverse 2 to come along with Super Saiyan 3 for OC saiyans, too, but that's wishful thinking.

So, it'd go:

Humans: Kaioken, x3, x20, x50 and x100

Saiyans: Kaioken, x3, x20, Super Saiyan, 2, 3

Namekians: Kaioken, x3, x20, Super Namek Fabulous Power Release Unleashed

Majins: Kaioken, x3, x20, Super Buff Majin

Freezas: Kaioken, x3, x20, Magical Golden Dildo Form

edited 7th Mar '15 6:16:13 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11505: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:14:52 PM

I'm sticking with my "ditch the races, provide enough customisation options to create anything" idea. Dragon Ball just doesn't have the racial balance to make it work without restricting some races.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11506: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:17:00 PM

I'm not quite sure humans should be a race in all honesty.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#11507: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:17:14 PM

If we're keeping races, I want hybrid templates!

[up]Do like me and pretend that humans are actually androids or something along those sorts. The game even supports it, with the ki regeneration and all.

edited 7th Mar '15 6:17:55 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#11508: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:17:44 PM

[up][up]Racist.

edited 7th Mar '15 6:17:57 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11509: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:18:51 PM

Online and Heroes basically have humans and Saiyans as the same thing essentially.

Works a little better.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11510: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:23:32 PM

Well, humans basically cover Androids as well. I'm fine with them in Xenoverse, it's no worse than the other race problems.

[up] Heroes doesn't have them as the same thing, it just doesn't have them.

I don't think it works better at all. Having Earthlings in Xenoverse doesn't actually detract from anything because Saiyans can use all the CaC options Earthlings can get.

edited 7th Mar '15 6:24:37 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11511: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:25:16 PM

Well, humans basically cover Androids as well.

What about 8, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 19? 20 had a human brain, but. Not much else.

I don't think it works better at all. Having Earthlings in Xenoverse doesn't actually detract from anything because Saiyans can use all the Ca C options Earthlings can get.

That's actually the problem I had.

Too similar, in a lot of ways. Not very distinctive.

I mean. I haven't tried the character customization stuff with humans as much, but if they had options that made them more androidy, I'd change my tune.

edited 7th Mar '15 6:27:48 PM by unnoun

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11512: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:27:45 PM

They don't even get to represent themselves in the game.

I think it's good that their aesthetic options are similar. I wouldn't want to have certain hairstyles or eye types only available to one of them just to keep them separate, or anything.

As far as I've seen the only Android-y thing is the Android 17 & 18 eye type. I meant more in terms of gameplay, with them having auto-ki regen and being powerful in "base".

edited 7th Mar '15 6:30:40 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11513: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:30:36 PM

It'd have been nice if the Saiyans had tails.

...Mind, I do love that the Zenkai is actually a thing included in the gameplay in fights. I think that's absolutely delightful.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11514: Mar 7th 2015 at 6:31:48 PM

Oh, yeah. That would have been nice. I think I prefer lack of tails to Ultimate Tenkaichi's forced tails, though. I wish there was an option.

You can have a Saiyan tail by equipping a Saiyan suit that has the tail wrapped around the waist, but there's sadly no option for a loose tail.

I also think zenkai implementation was neat. The only time I've seen it before was in some of the old RPGs where Saiyans could get extra level ups from finishing a battle on extremely low HP. Come to think of it, that could have been in Xenoverse or a future sequel as well.

edited 7th Mar '15 6:33:18 PM by Saiga

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11515: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:10:06 PM

Except the Kaioken can be taught to anyone in theory and the person that uses it in canon is a Saiyan. Making it human only makes no sense.

And giving the Frieza Race transformations is moot since you can already make them look like a final form Frieza anyway.

They wouldn't different forms like Frieza does anyway.

Just give the mystic transformation as an alternative to the non Saiyan races.

edited 7th Mar '15 7:13:51 PM by Cortez

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11516: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:11:37 PM

Logically for anyone else that shouldn't be a form. They don't have Super Saiyan power to access so it'd just be unlock potential.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11517: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:15:21 PM

Actually, Unlock Potential would be a good idea too.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11518: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:20:34 PM

Oh, I agree. Especially since Kuririn and Gohan's potential unlock actually worked over time, it could make for a really unique transformation if it starts out small and continues to build over the course of the fight.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#11519: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:27:44 PM

I also hope they add some missions during the Dragon Ball era. I mean, the distortions mentioned by Percel sounded really cool and i wish we could have played them.

edited 7th Mar '15 7:30:58 PM by Cortez

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#11520: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:37:34 PM

Why didn't anyone else learn the Kaioken? Yamcha, Tien, and Piccolo had plenty chance to learn it from King Kai and/or Goku.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11521: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:38:53 PM

Because it's extremely difficult to do so. Kaio was amazed Goku had learned it, because even Kaio wasn't able to master it.

Oh and there's the out-of-universe reason that there's absolutely no point to them having it or not, it won't change anything.

edited 7th Mar '15 7:39:43 PM by Saiga

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#11522: Mar 7th 2015 at 7:59:28 PM

Did you guys read what I wrote down on my list? I put forms for every race I could think of.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11523: Mar 7th 2015 at 8:10:34 PM

I did, and I appreciate that you didn't restrict the Saiyans' forms. Just looking at that reaffirms my belief that it should just be one character creator, and you create your transformations.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#11524: Mar 7th 2015 at 8:15:30 PM

I would go with Saiga's idea, just abandon the concept of individual races and include customization elements from all of them.

If I want to make a normal Saiyan but give them human-style clothes and such, I should be able to. If I want to make a Namekian with Buu-style holes, a Saiyan tail, and Frieza's stupid purple markings, I should be able to as well. tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11525: Mar 7th 2015 at 8:22:46 PM

Oh, I only saw your final list of things at the end. I think 10 players on one-screen would be a complete nightmare with things like in-game transformations, and make the combat far too chaotic. I honestly think it should be restricted to four players on screen, as right now Xenoverse's multi combat does not work nearly as well as one-on-one.

I also have to disagree on each form having different Supers and Ultimates. This is honestly something that annoys me, I think they should carry over with some exceptions like "Kamehameha" becoming "Kamehameha x10" in Super Saiyan 4. It really annoyed me in Spike games that Super Saiyan 2 Goku has a boring moveset because he can't use anything used by his other forms. Same problem happens with Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and any other character who has a form they didn't use unique moves in.

What do you mean by entire movesets for CaCs? We already have that. I don't think making multiple movesets for them is a good idea, too much development time. Just give them their starting moveset like in Xenoverse and let them equip other character's movesets like in Ultimate Tenkaichi.


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