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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10901: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:31:03 PM

The names that are names today were words when they became names.

I mean. I'm not even christian and I know this. It's kinda obvious.

"Truly I tell you, you are peter, and on this rock"

Etc.

Western culture has forgotten that the names we give to children mean something, but I don't think Eastern culture has.

edited 18th Feb '15 12:33:07 PM by unnoun

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#10902: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:37:40 PM

The meaning of the names in Dragon Ball is "Toriyama finds this joke hilarious."

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#10903: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:40:22 PM

"...and they are all named after underwear! Get it, get it? Haha, I'm hilarious XD"

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10904: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:04:59 PM

Pfft, as if Toriyama is the only one who does it.

Cologne? Shampoo? Mousse?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10905: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:06:34 PM

I'm just waiting for the day we see a character named Funkmeister.

The question is, will that be the whole name, or will Funk be the first name, and meister be the last?

Think on that one for a second.cool

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#10906: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:18:43 PM

About Freeza getting stronger: In terms of retcons, this isn't TOO ridiculous. And besides, they said Majin Buu level, not Beerus level. Really, the gap from Freeza to Cell to Majin Buu isn't THAT crazy. Cell and Majin Buu just had regeneration abilities Freeza didn't have. That's why it was so hard to defeat them.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#10907: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:26:54 PM

[up]No, the gaps between all three are indeed ridiculous.

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#10908: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:28:54 PM

I mean, is it? In terms of raw destructive power, it doesn't really FEEL like it increases that much. Although that might be because it's hard to show that, so they just use further transformations instead.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#10909: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:57:02 PM

I firmly believe what made Buu dangerous wasn't so much his strength and power, but how he was pretty much unkillable. He was able to shrug off pretty much every attack anyone threw at him before Gotenks, Gohan, and Vegetto came along.

In fact, the only way they even killed was vaporizing him right down to every atom.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10910: Feb 18th 2015 at 1:57:39 PM

Those gaps are in fact too ridiculous. Destruction is a poor way to scale it.

The Cell arc contained a crapload of leapfrogging in strength right before half of Goku's new power blew everyone away. Then the Cell Games introduced more leapfrogging, a new Super Saiyan form, and at the Majin Boo arc Goku and Vegeta have surpassed tgat level again, to the point where they start talking shit about Cell-level opponents.

And then Majin Boo, in his weakest form, blows everyone away yet again. And then mooore leapfrogging, more transformations, etc.

Huuuuuuuge gulf between Freeza and Cell, let alone Majin Boo.

@Tobias even that idea doesn't work because Freeza's dialogue makes it clear he doesn't see Boo that way and knows he could surpass him.

[up] Well, you're wrong. It's made clear many many times that he is absurdly powerful. The hard to kill aspect helped him two times that he was outmatched (Fat Boo vs Goku and Boo vs Gotenks) but his strength was the biggest threat.

edited 18th Feb '15 1:59:37 PM by Saiga

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#10911: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:02:39 PM

Buu in his weakest form, before even powering up in that form almost killed Dabura who was Cell level with a single punch, didn't he?

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#10912: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:03:40 PM

[up][up]But that's my point, when he no longer was powerful enough he was still able to survive just by virtue of being Nigh-Invulnerable. I don't really get how I'm "wrong" when I clearly said its what I "believe", I never said it was factual evidence of anything :V

edited 18th Feb '15 2:04:00 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10913: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:04:25 PM

He gouged out both of Dabra's eyes by grabbing his head, but yeah.

[up] regardless of how you phrase it, still wrong. Nobody would give half a shit if he wasn't as powerful as he was. Him being hard to kill is the back-up to his strength.

I can say "I believe" Freeza was a threat because he was smart more than he was strong, but that's still completely wrong.

edited 18th Feb '15 2:07:08 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10914: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:11:37 PM

Well, it seems that in terms of power, there's Frieza level, which is the strongest among pure mortal races (unless the Super Namekians are even stronger) until Super Saiyan came along; then there's Cell Level, which (Cell himself accepted) is the level of higher level Gods, and maybe a few mortals (movie characters, and Cell through a freak scientific fluke).

Buu in almost all of his forms is stronger than those dudes (up until Fat Boo separated from his evil side, which took most of his power with him).

Then Beerus roflstomps all of them.

So Cell Level may be the Gold standard for Power in the DBZ Verse, with Frieza level a B+ (there's better, but reaching it is both unlikely and unnecessary post Buu sealing) and Beerus being in a class all his own.

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#10915: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:11:40 PM

Even if he didn't regenerate, though, Goku still wouldn't have killed Buu the first time they fought, if only because Goku still thinks his and Vegeta's worthless spawn should be the ones to look after the world instead of him.

Also, it's funny that Dragon Ball's padding and filler actually does sometimes serve to show the actual power that the characters exhibit. I mean, you wouldn't believe Cell's perfect transformation was impressive unless the shockwaves of his power were causing tidal waves in a ridiculously huge radius, and Goku's SSJ 3 transformation just isn't the same without five minutes of him wrecking the world just by transforming.

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#10916: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:23:21 PM

[up][up][up]No shit :V Did I ever say his strength didn't matter? I just said it wasn't the only thing that made him formidable.

[up]I admit, it's rather awesome to see transformations being the equivalent of a natural disaster.

edited 18th Feb '15 2:25:30 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#10917: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:25:28 PM

Goku first Super Sayian transformation is so underwhelming in the manga, I actually though some pages were missing when I first saw it.

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#10918: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:31:51 PM

[up][up][up] Except Goku was right here, because ultimately he still has the average lifespan of a mortal Saiyan, which is only slightly better than a human's. In the end, he wouldn't be capable of protecting the Earth forever, and once he dies the Dragon Balls are useless since they can't bring back someone who's died of natural causes and he's already spent his one day back on Earth during the Buu Saga, so for all intents and purposes, unless the threat finds its way to the Afterlife, Goku would be able to do absolutely nothing but watch.

edited 18th Feb '15 2:32:05 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#10919: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:35:28 PM

Shit, Toriyama, that's the best you've got for Frieza? If it wasn't you writing I'd not give a shit about this movie after reading that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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#10920: Feb 18th 2015 at 2:35:30 PM

That does not in any way reply to what I said.

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#10921: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:23:47 PM

Yamcha wasn't even in that first chapter, while we saw Tien and Chiaotzu as farmers and Krillin as a beat cop.

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#10922: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:15:36 PM

@Black Yakuzu You were saying it wasn't the main thing, and that his hard to kill factor was more important which it really isn't.

@Cru Have you seen Toriyama's recent stuff? His input no longer means anything.

edited 18th Feb '15 6:17:01 PM by Saiga

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#10923: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:25:46 PM

No, I said "It wasn't so much his strength" not "His strength isn't what made him strong."

You can twist my words all you want, but it's not what I said.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10924: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:47:37 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Frieza was a naturally strong freak of nature. If he stopped be all cocky and actually trained for once in his life, he'd probably be the doom of the universe.

The preview manga seems that it'll actually be going in that direction, so that's something.

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#10925: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:50:16 PM

Except he's still significantly weaker than Cell or Buu...or Goku or Vegeta for that matter...sooooo

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