Xenoverse is doing better than expected.
Also, wow Xbox has a tiny userbase in Japan.
I would be willing to attribute Frieza's failure to do anything with his knowledge of Buu and Beerus because Beerus is a god and Buu is a god-killing abomination, both of which are on a scale so far above Frieza that he may not have believed it would be possible for a mortal being to achieve their level of power.
That is, I would be willing to attribute it to that if not for the fact that Frieza is almost certainly going to surpass Buu and Beerus in Return of F because that's just how Dragon Ball rolls. There is going to be a line about, "He's become MORE POWERFUL than even Beerus!" and it's going to be just as stupid as every time the series feels obligated to point that out about the new villain.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Sorting Algorithm of Evil is a bitch ain't it.
To be fair tho, Rildo was pretty broken if you consider the fact that literally the entire plant was his weapon. Which makes it pretty dumb how he's killed with a simple energy wave.
edited 18th Feb '15 9:06:47 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Only when Underground Monkey cheats and moves somewhere on the algorithm that he does not belong.
Used properly, the hero should encounter villains in ascending order of menace as is befitting their role. Used improperly, the villains that the hero encounters will ascend in order of menace regardless of role. The Android Saga excepted, Dragon Ball typically did a good job of increasing the scale of the villain to match the increase in power. Even Beerus remembered that his scale should be greater than that of Majin Buu to correlate with his greater power; God of Destruction trumps Eldritch Abomination in a believable fashion.
GT and most of the movies did not, and Return of F isn't looking hopeful on that note.
edited 18th Feb '15 9:10:45 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The problem is though, when do you reach a ceiling? I mean the last movie gave us a literal God as the opponent, which makes sense as a step up from an Eldritch Abomination but then where do you go from there?
The Android Saga I can at least accept in regards to Cell because he's a chimera of the strongest characters in the series at that point and posses their best abilities(Freeza's ability to survive harsh environments, Namekian's regeneration, Saiyans` ability to get stronger from defeat etc. etc.)
I'd prefer if the algorithm was played with a bit. I wouldn't mind Freeza coming back as the main villain, but not necessarily stronger but he gets immortality like he wanted. It wouldn't make him stronger or contradict anything, but he'd effectively be unkillable which would mean he could just wear anyone down eventually.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.There are a lot of things you can do when you hit the ceiling. Shifting focus away from the characters that are too powerful to continue existing in your story without breaking the conflict is one option. Finding ways to make weaker villains threatening through creative manipulation of metaphysics is another. Just plain ending it is another still.
When you reach the point where you can't think of any plausible point on the Sorting Algorithm that is higher than where you are now, then...don't. There are ways to continue a compelling story without just resorting to throwaway lines about "Random Bastard X is more powerful than the very gods themselves because he just is, okay?" Throwing your hands over your ears and going "Na na na HE'S STRONGER DON'T QUESTION" is a sure sign of a writer who stopped caring.
edited 18th Feb '15 9:40:46 AM by TobiasDrake
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Who's going to tell Toriyama You're Doing It Wrong, Dumbass?
His editors. It's their job. That is what they are there to do. Hell, we know for a fact that Toriyama respected at least one of his editors a great deal and continued to take advice from him even after the guy was no longer his editor, so we know that Toriyama can at least listen to people around him.
I know people in the interwebs have hate-boners against editors, but they're necessary and very valuable. A good editor can filter out the shitty ideas so that only the good ones make it into the page, or fix mistakes that the mangaka didn't notice before they make it to the public, or even improve the story by restraining the mangaka. Remember: Necessity is the mother of creativity, and humans are at their best when we're trying to give the middle finger to a limitation.
@the Algorerhythm debate:
The thing is, we don't even need to have Freeza return or anything of this sort. There are supposed to be several other universes, each with their own God of Destruction. We have a source of baddies even stronger than Beerus and Whis! Just say that one of those went mad, destroyed his universe and came over to the canon one to destroy it as well.
edited 18th Feb '15 9:49:52 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari![]()
Well the former is certainly out of the question considering most of the strongest characters are the main ones; well not really, but you'd have a hard time selling a DBZ movie that doesn't focus on Goku and/or Vegeta in some capacity. Gohan or Piccolo could probably get away with that however.
As for the latter point, that's true. But Toriyama was kind of goaded into more DBZ due to it's overwhelming popularity when the series was done for over 20 years; he probably doesn't care anymore at this point.
That said, we still have pretty vague details of this movie at best and don't really know how they correlate with each other. All we really know is that Freeza comes back and decides to train, we don't really know if he actually would be able to put up a fight against Beerus yet.
But none of those potential gods are as popular as Freeza; it sounds stupid as fuck, but banking on the popularity of a former villain is generally more of an option than making an entirely new villain altogether.
edited 18th Feb '15 9:54:50 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.have Freeza be a Go D's what's the word?i think Galactus uses it too?Herald?
Frieza's popularity, Toriyama being goaded into it, and the idea that a movie not starring Vegeta and Goku wouldn't sell as well aren't really defenses against them not really caring about telling a good story. If anything, all three of these are arguments in favor of Money, Dear Boy.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That's my point; I don't really think they care about telling a good story as much as they care about just Pandering to the Base.
Can't really think of any other reason why'd they go out of their way of letting Vegeta become stronger than Goku, despite that SSJ 1 shouldn't be anywhere near as strong as SSJ 3. Why they'd bring back Freeza and make him stronger than ever just to justify his reapperance, or the other various and pointless retcons that have creeped into the series as of late.
This implies people care about Yamcha in any capacity :V
edited 18th Feb '15 10:42:38 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.First chapter of the Revival of F manga spoilers.
So that future readers of this thread can see what we were talking about since no one provided a link to the translation.
edited 18th Feb '15 11:35:11 AM by LordofLore
Xenoverse looks bitchin'
I feel like it's worth pointing out that this all started as a Journey To The West parody.
Bulma being vaguely more European sorta makes sense.
I mean, technically the world of Dragon Ball doesn't have our continents or races or history, but.
On the other hand, one of the movies had Hitler in it.
And Yamcha referenced Houdini once.
So.
Trying to make actual sense seems like an exercise in utility.
Might as well have some fun with it.
Which brings us back to Xenoverse being bitchin'
edited 18th Feb '15 11:59:55 AM by unnoun
Nobody is Japanese in Dragon Ball, because there is no such place as Japan in Dragon Ball. One nation.
The humans are all Generic Anime Ethnicity.
edited 18th Feb '15 12:06:30 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The Briefs family has English words for names.
Other characters have a variety of Japanese and English words for names. I think Tien and Chiaotzu's names are Chinese words?
Nobody actually has a name for a name.
edited 18th Feb '15 12:22:43 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, but these names are words today.
There's a difference between naming someone Francis which has its roots from a derivative of "Frenchman" and naming them Chandelier.
edited 18th Feb '15 12:29:45 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

But who's gonna tell Toriyama, the inventor of your childhood "Sir, you got your world-famous story wrong"?
My various fanfics.