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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#10851: Feb 17th 2015 at 5:10:30 PM

We have something about Revival of F!!

http://otakomu.jp/archives/225768.html

Thankyou, guys from the Kanzenshuu fourms!

There's text at the bottom. And, surprisingly, when I pasted it into Google translate, it got all the names right. Maybe the people down at Google were expecting people to try translate DBZ stuff.

edited 17th Feb '15 5:14:16 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10852: Feb 17th 2015 at 5:59:13 PM

Looks like another Time Skip considering Pan is already born.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10853: Feb 17th 2015 at 6:48:20 PM

Kanzenshuu also has some translations of new details.

Tagoma (tall minion with double scouter) is apparently on par with Zarbon / Dodoria and he is killed by Freeza for saying something he shouldn't. SO MUCH FOR HIM

Freeza somehow knows about Majin Boo and is unimpressed that Goku is stronger than him. He knows he has the ability to get stronger than them by training.

...

FUCKING WHAT?! Freeza knew of Majin Boo and his strength, despite Boo being sealed more than 5 million years before the start of the series? And Beerus and Whis not knowing him? And he's also aware of how effective training could be for him... but just didn't do it? Hot fucking damn.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#10854: Feb 17th 2015 at 6:56:30 PM

[up] I see Freeza continues his tradition of killing his subordinates. "Lord Freeza...the f***?"

Dunno how he knows about Majin Buu, though. Or how he knows he can train. It really isn't such a stretch to think he can be a threat like that. After all, after the heroes went Super Saiyan, everything after that was from training.

I guess he never thought he needed to train, because he was already the strongest being in the universe. And he got stronger from being rebuilt as a cyborg. But now he knows there's more Super Saiyans...

edited 17th Feb '15 6:59:15 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10855: Feb 17th 2015 at 6:57:03 PM

To fair, it's not like Frieza ever needed to train, because really, ignoring Beerus, Whis, Majin Buu, and possibly Shin and pre-Majin Dabura, he was the strongest fighter in the universe.

edited 17th Feb '15 6:58:33 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10856: Feb 17th 2015 at 6:58:37 PM

Its still pretty derp, like how does he know about Buu...seriously.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10857: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:02:33 PM

But he knew about things like Boo. Just accepting there are things faaaar stronger than you out there when you could easily change that is plain dumb.

Freeza wiped out the Saiyans because he was afraid that they might get so strong. But he doesn't want to train and make himself way more likely not to get killed by a Super Saiyan.

Freeza reaching Boo's level with training is a massive stretch. Post Super Saiyan, Vegeta and Goku found that just training would only take them so far, and thry needed to develop the Super Saiyan forms and use superior training methods to improve in any meaningful way.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10858: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:03:09 PM

As far as Freeza knew, there were exactly three people stronger than him in the entire universe. One was his goddamn Father and the other two were giving him orders.

Freeza could not possibly know about Buu or Dabura, since the former was five million years before his time and the latter is supposed to be the king of some demonic realm or some shit like that, I can't remember. Point is, if Freeza had heard of Dabura, he'd probably been killed by Dabura.

So... stupid retcon is stupid.

edited 17th Feb '15 7:03:46 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#10859: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:03:14 PM

But, quite honestly, I've given up believing new Dragon Ball stuff will keep continuity 100%. The series itself was full of retcons. So was Battle of Gods. Just as long as it doesn't make earlier material make no sense, I'll be alright with it. For the most part.

edited 17th Feb '15 7:06:12 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10860: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:04:15 PM

Tropes Are Not Bad, and that includes Retroactive Continuity, but in this case, it is a very dumb retcon.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#10861: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:05:29 PM

Wasn't Frieza supposed to be stronger than his father?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10862: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:08:22 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure manga King Cold was said to be weaker than Frieza.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10863: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:22:40 PM

I am assuming that's post cyber-enhancements.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#10864: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:27:33 PM

Even before that, Cold made some comments to the effect that if someone could defeat Frieza at full power they had to be the strongest in the universe. This implies that even pre-cyborg Frieza was stronger than Cold.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10865: Feb 17th 2015 at 7:39:49 PM

Yet I don't recall them being worried in the slightest.

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#10866: Feb 17th 2015 at 8:24:12 PM

In addition to repeated claims of Frieza being the strongest in the universe, Frieza also compliments the fact that his parents "managed to get dust on him" during the early stages of his fight with Goku, suggesting he far outclasses Cold.

Fandom likes to believe that Cold is stronger than Frieza because he appears to be in Second Form and never gets to transform beyond that prior to Trunks killing him, but while that observation doesn't necessarily have any flaws in it, the conclusion drawn - that Cold is stronger - does not necessarily correlate to the evidence provided, has no evidence to support it, and plentiful evidence against.

edited 17th Feb '15 8:26:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10867: Feb 17th 2015 at 8:29:15 PM

Those claims were baseless boasts, considering Freeza seems to have known of Beerus' existence.

Sometimes, the characters exaggerate or flat out lie.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10868: Feb 17th 2015 at 9:10:18 PM

Cold says twice that a person stronger than Freeza would be the strongest in the universe and guidebooks say he's weaker. This isn't in question at all.

I'm only okay with non-contradictory retcons like Goku's Saiyan heritage. I know the original manga had contradictions but that doesn't excuse them appearing in new material. It really wouldn't be hard at all to be consistent.

edited 17th Feb '15 9:15:20 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#10869: Feb 17th 2015 at 9:21:46 PM

And yet, we have bullshit like the Android 16 thing, and Satan not wanting to challenge people stronger than him, even though he does do that with Cell (though I truly believe he thought Cell was just pulling bullshit).

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10870: Feb 17th 2015 at 9:39:12 PM

It doesn't really matter, in the end. It doesn't really make any difference.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#10871: Feb 17th 2015 at 10:35:40 PM

But he knew about things like Boo. Just accepting there are things faaaar stronger than you out there when you could easily change that is plain dumb.

Yes, but that thing was also, probably, sealed up when Frieza was around and seemingly no one, not even Babidi, knew where it was or was able to find it for centuries, so why worry about or tamper with it?

"Frieza knows about Buu." Shot in the dark, Buu blew up a shitload of planets. Maybe Frieza heard a legend about a pink demon, or maybe some alien race who knew of/survived Bibidi's onslaught, or learned from Supreme Kai or another source?

edited 18th Feb '15 9:17:39 AM by FOFD

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10872: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:41:19 AM

The Saiyans were also laughably far off being a threat to Freeza and Super Saiyan nothing more than a legend, but Freeza chose not to take the chance.

Really can't reconcile a proactive, paranoid and power obsessed guy actively choosing to be as weak as possible.

There's also the fact that Freeza got crushed by Goku, got some cybernetics aaaand... proceeded to go to Earth immediately with no training, at a level where he was still fodder for a Super Saiyan.

No fucking sense in Freeza knowing his potential all along.

edited 18th Feb '15 12:52:59 AM by Saiga

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#10873: Feb 18th 2015 at 5:09:21 AM

What's with all those goddamn retcons? They make no sense!

This is what happens when you write the plot of your movie around a catchy song you've happened to hear.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10874: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:38:58 AM

To be honest, I doubt Toriyama doesn't even remember half of his plot points or if he does, he doesn't really care and just doing whatever.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10875: Feb 18th 2015 at 8:00:14 AM

It doesn't matter if he doesn't remember, he has assistants and editors who presumably do remember, guy has to have at least somebody to tell him "Dood, this shit don't make no sense, brah!"

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