Mr. Satan pulled like 10 or 20 buses, was bitch slapped by Cell and didn't die (even if Cell used the absolute bare minimum of strength), and is probably still legitimately super human by the standards of his world.
Johnny can shoot some fireballs, and has a better record at fighting supernatural creatures (even if he has only beaten Baraka and Reptile if we go by the reboot), so I don't think a fight between them would be that one sided.
I'm giving to Satan to be honest. Actually skill, and more brute strength.
One Strip! One Strip!Fuck Toriyama!!!!!
If he was going to add new info, he should have bothered to keep it consistent to be honest.
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Apparently Hercule and his Teacher once made fun of Tao Paipai. His master got murdered, and he almost got murdered. From that point on, Hercule decided to never fight anyone weird, because they might be really strong.
EVEN THOUGH HE FOUGHT A GIANT GREEN ALIEN BUGMAN.
My various fanfics.At the very least, Toriyama could have walked an explanation that Satan thought Cell was just a normal dude wearing a suit. I mean, he assumed Cell's Ki attacks were bombs under the ring and all that, but he didn't even do that much.
I mean, he's no Hiro Mashima, and he's definitely not a Masashi Kishimoto, but that's a laziness and lack of awareness of your own series that's painfully frustrating, and I refuse to fill his holes, even though I've done so with others in the past.
If your gonna bring in new shit, makes sure it at least fits.
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You are aware Dragon Ball ended in the 90s, right? And that the only things he worked on for this series since then was Online and Battle of Gods, right; the first of which was released nearly 15 years since the series ended. Do you honestly expect an old man in his 60s with documented memory problems to remember everything he did in a series he made nearly 20 years ago?
Exactly.
I mean, we get a lot of contradictions about how forgetful he is (the legendary he forgot about Launch rumour), but that being said, if he's having trouble keeping track of certain bits of info, fucking check it himself. Just read the comics to make sure you're not contradicting yourself.
Hell, or maybe try actually planning things out ahead of time so you don't end up with a massive clusterfuck, where (like what the Cell Series has ultimately turned out to be).
Speaking of Cell, I've kinda come to look at it in a new way. Yes, it came about due to continued Executive Meddling, but I'm also seeing it as something of a Final-Exam Boss.
Cell isn't just one enemy: he's all of Goku's enemies, literally squished together into one form. He is, in a strange sense Goku's greatest foe, cause he's all of his big rivals. An army of one so to speak, and in the end, this one man army does what few can claim to have done: beat Goku one on one.
So many others have either failed, or won on technicalities, but Cell made Goku flat out admit I can't win.
That's what makes Gohan's victory so great: He defeated the combined might of every single enemy Goku has every fought. He surpassed his dad, not only in power, and not only by beating an enemy he couldn't, but by technically beating every enemy that his dad ever did.
Yes, it's all just bullshit that came about due to a poorly planned arc, and I'm sure someone will point out how my thoughts are completely wrong (as is the right of all people on the internet), but that's kinda how I've come to view Cell and the Cell saga now.
What do you guys think?
edited 15th Feb '15 10:14:22 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!While I appreciate the Cell Saga has a LOT of flaws, the fact that Gohan is the one who defeats the main villain and becomes the new hero is just so refreshing and interesting that it makes me overlook some of the problems of the arc. It's the one and ONLY time a secondary character gets to become the lead. You almost never see Shonen do that.
And in terms of villains that would make sense for Gohan to beat thematically...there aren't many. Someone like Majin Buu is so separate from Goku's lore that there wouldn't be any message if Gohan surpassed him then. And he was too young to get the spotlight during Vegeta and Freeza.
edited 15th Feb '15 10:27:19 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!What irked me about Majin Buu is how the first half of the arc is building Gohan up to finally succeed his father and then backpedals at the last second. It's just the worst type of cocktease.
But yea, flaws aside, the Android saga marks a very nice conclusion to Gohan's entire character arc at that point; from timid crybaby to succeeding his father as the planet's defender.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.@Handsome Rob: I'd say that's the best way to look at the Cell saga. The only way Cell's a credible threat is if he's all of Goku's past enemies combined. And it makes sense that Gohan, someone who was completely outside of everybody's radar (save Goku's), was the one to defeat him. Because he was the one with all the potential in the world.
Pretty much. Now, the ultimate execution was lacking, but for me, that is what the Cell arc is: Goku's past, and Gohan's future. It is a shame to Toriyama did not stick to his guns.
One Strip! One Strip!That tumblr is everything I didn't realise I needed.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

And they'd make a kickass movie out of it.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari