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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10801: Feb 15th 2015 at 6:50:36 PM

And they'd make a kickass movie out of it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#10802: Feb 15th 2015 at 6:54:20 PM

Mr. Satan pulled like 10 or 20 buses, was bitch slapped by Cell and didn't die (even if Cell used the absolute bare minimum of strength), and is probably still legitimately super human by the standards of his world.

Johnny can shoot some fireballs, and has a better record at fighting supernatural creatures (even if he has only beaten Baraka and Reptile if we go by the reboot), so I don't think a fight between them would be that one sided.

I'm giving to Satan to be honest. Actually skill, and more brute strength.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10803: Feb 15th 2015 at 6:55:16 PM

Mr. Satan can never legitimately win a fight. Remember, he was retconned into that by Toriyama, even though it made no freaking sense.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#10805: Feb 15th 2015 at 6:58:51 PM

What does that even mean? I thought he won his title legitimately? Were things changed to him bribing people to lose or something?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10806: Feb 15th 2015 at 6:59:16 PM

To be fair, Hercule's battle against Zant and the other guy kind of proves that he's superhuman by comparison to normal humans. Plus, he has shown the capability to use flight near the end of Z, so he does have potential in ki use.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#10807: Feb 15th 2015 at 7:08:54 PM

[up][up]Apparently Hercule and his Teacher once made fun of Tao Paipai. His master got murdered, and he almost got murdered. From that point on, Hercule decided to never fight anyone weird, because they might be really strong.

EVEN THOUGH HE FOUGHT A GIANT GREEN ALIEN BUGMAN.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10808: Feb 15th 2015 at 7:12:54 PM

At the very least, Toriyama could have walked an explanation that Satan thought Cell was just a normal dude wearing a suit. I mean, he assumed Cell's Ki attacks were bombs under the ring and all that, but he didn't even do that much.

I mean, he's no Hiro Mashima, and he's definitely not a Masashi Kishimoto, but that's a laziness and lack of awareness of your own series that's painfully frustrating, and I refuse to fill his holes, even though I've done so with others in the past.

If your gonna bring in new shit, makes sure it at least fits.

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#10809: Feb 15th 2015 at 7:14:22 PM

I'd get a DB vs. MK game if it featured Kano as a rival for Mercenary Tao.

edited 15th Feb '15 7:15:47 PM by DoctorDiabolical

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10810: Feb 15th 2015 at 7:26:11 PM

[up][up] You are aware Dragon Ball ended in the 90s, right? And that the only things he worked on for this series since then was Online and Battle of Gods, right; the first of which was released nearly 15 years since the series ended. Do you honestly expect an old man in his 60s with documented memory problems to remember everything he did in a series he made nearly 20 years ago?

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qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#10811: Feb 15th 2015 at 7:28:48 PM

Its not like he doesn't have enough money to buy copies of his own work. He clearly was too busy the past fifteen years to briefly glance through said manga to make sure the content he is putting out for his series makes sense and to make sure he doesn't contradict himself.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10812: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:09:52 PM

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Exactly.

I mean, we get a lot of contradictions about how forgetful he is (the legendary he forgot about Launch rumour), but that being said, if he's having trouble keeping track of certain bits of info, fucking check it himself. Just read the comics to make sure you're not contradicting yourself.

Hell, or maybe try actually planning things out ahead of time so you don't end up with a massive clusterfuck, where (like what the Cell Series has ultimately turned out to be).

Speaking of Cell, I've kinda come to look at it in a new way. Yes, it came about due to continued Executive Meddling, but I'm also seeing it as something of a Final-Exam Boss.

Cell isn't just one enemy: he's all of Goku's enemies, literally squished together into one form. He is, in a strange sense Goku's greatest foe, cause he's all of his big rivals. An army of one so to speak, and in the end, this one man army does what few can claim to have done: beat Goku one on one.

So many others have either failed, or won on technicalities, but Cell made Goku flat out admit I can't win.

That's what makes Gohan's victory so great: He defeated the combined might of every single enemy Goku has every fought. He surpassed his dad, not only in power, and not only by beating an enemy he couldn't, but by technically beating every enemy that his dad ever did.

Yes, it's all just bullshit that came about due to a poorly planned arc, and I'm sure someone will point out how my thoughts are completely wrong (as is the right of all people on the internet), but that's kinda how I've come to view Cell and the Cell saga now.

What do you guys think?

edited 15th Feb '15 10:14:22 PM by HandsomeRob

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#10813: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:20:38 PM

While I appreciate the Cell Saga has a LOT of flaws, the fact that Gohan is the one who defeats the main villain and becomes the new hero is just so refreshing and interesting that it makes me overlook some of the problems of the arc. It's the one and ONLY time a secondary character gets to become the lead. You almost never see Shonen do that.

And in terms of villains that would make sense for Gohan to beat thematically...there aren't many. Someone like Majin Buu is so separate from Goku's lore that there wouldn't be any message if Gohan surpassed him then. And he was too young to get the spotlight during Vegeta and Freeza.

edited 15th Feb '15 10:27:19 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10814: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:25:12 PM

Shame the ball was dropped on that one.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10815: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:23:21 PM

What irked me about Majin Buu is how the first half of the arc is building Gohan up to finally succeed his father and then backpedals at the last second. It's just the worst type of cocktease.

But yea, flaws aside, the Android saga marks a very nice conclusion to Gohan's entire character arc at that point; from timid crybaby to succeeding his father as the planet's defender.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10816: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:52:42 PM

It has a minor road bump with him momentarily forgetting his character development.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#10818: Feb 16th 2015 at 7:02:21 AM

@Handsome Rob: I'd say that's the best way to look at the Cell saga. The only way Cell's a credible threat is if he's all of Goku's past enemies combined. And it makes sense that Gohan, someone who was completely outside of everybody's radar (save Goku's), was the one to defeat him. Because he was the one with all the potential in the world.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10819: Feb 16th 2015 at 7:56:58 AM

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Pretty much. Now, the ultimate execution was lacking, but for me, that is what the Cell arc is: Goku's past, and Gohan's future. It is a shame to Toriyama did not stick to his guns.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10820: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:10:39 AM

[up][up][up][up]Well that depends, do you think Gohan was ready to succeed his Dad at that very moment? I'm not gonna argue it wasn't done well, but its something I want to know.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#10821: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:43:33 AM

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At first I was going to complain about how stupid it was to make Vegeta's hair "sway in the wind" like that, with him looking all peaceful. Then I saw what they were actually doing and read that caption. I still can't imagine Vegeta going along with it, but it was funny.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10822: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:51:32 AM

He'd probably agree if Bra asked him to.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#10823: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:03:53 PM

The Economy one had me in stitches, because it seems like such a douchebag Vegeta and Bulma would do.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#10824: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:08:13 PM

Vegeta: The fuck's an economy?

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