Agreed.
Thoughs, I liked SSJ 2 Gohan. It's so effing difficult to proceed into Buu saga especially when it walks all over Piccolo. The same bro-man that was helpful in various points in Cell saga.
"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -MugenOkay, here is the ENTIRE ROSTER including variations.
152 variation characters in total, not including DLC.
They put Videl in a lot of games because Videl, unlike Bulma, actually is a fighter. The same is true of Mr. Satan. By the time they're introduced, they're relatively worthless, but they're still fighters. Not like being unable to win a fight has ever disqualified Yamcha from inclusion.
Bulma, likewise, is often included...but as a shopkeeper, or a voice in the menus, or somesuch. Non-combat roles, because she is an exclusively non-combat character. Chi Chi has fought more battles than her.
edited 8th Feb '15 7:08:53 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Tobias already covered Satan and Videl, so I'll add that Babidi is the closest we've had to a pure non-fighter, but he still has his magic to defend himself and was put alongside his minions who are meant to protect him. It was about the only way to include Yakon and Pui Pui in Tenkaichi 3. They're all minor characters, but using 1 slot for 3 characters is pretty good for Tenkaichi.
The pilaf machine was used exclusively for fighting. Far more logical than Bulma and even then I don't think I'd want to see it on a roster again.
GT characters are one of the most requested features for each game, not something nobody likes. And all of the ones included in the fighting games are actually fighters.
I don't see any rule that says "all playable characters must be representative fighters/martial artists". Maybe that's the way they look at it, but still. None of the studios have thought it'd be funny to have a Joke Character Bulma. Hercule is there limit?
I don't know, if I were making a fighting game, if I had to pick between a semi-important non-fighter, and a tertiary fighter, I'd pick the former and come up with a kooky moveset for them.
And no, I'm not saying we need to have "Turtle" or "Baba" either.
Just that Bulma herself can be a decent joke fighter and that we've been through more than 20-30 games, and only two have said, "Wait, Bulma can be made playable." One was based in the early Dragonball era, while the other was part of Evolution (where Bulma was a badass scientist, which is kind of sad).
If they stick to fighters as their fighters, Satan as a limit makes sense. It's less of a rule and more common sense.
I would always choose the fighter over the non-fighter. Bulma is often included in some non-fighting role anyway. No amount of games will justify Bulma being playable.
Satan's not tertiary anyway, just introduced late.
edited 8th Feb '15 8:43:09 PM by Saiga
Though if they want to make Bulma a fighter, just make a wish on the Dragonballs to give her Martial Arts ability.
Not that they should, but the option is there.
One Strip! One Strip!It's strange how Bulma can be both important and useless to the plot at the same time.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!... While you could do that... I have to wonder what the point would be. Past a certain threshold of difference in brute force, all skill becomes meaningless. It's pointless to know how to outfight anyone in terms of skill when by the time you blink you're already on the line to Enma's desk.
Bulma is never useless.
I have no idea why people keep thinking that being a noncombatant means you're useless.
Let's put it this way: Bulma MADE Dragon Ball exist. Without her, none of this would've happened, and without her, everyone would be dead several times over.
edited 8th Feb '15 9:09:18 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariExactly. In terms of the plot itself, she doesn't have a large presence in Z, but she was the one who kickstarted the story, and invented a lot of things that they take for granted.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!'Tis a shame she never invented Powered Armour though.
I mean, she was able to replicate Saiyan armour, and got a chance to study 16 (who must have had the Infinite energy generator in his body), so that could have helped humanity quite a bit.
One Strip! One Strip!While that would have been awesome, it's unlikely it would have been able to match up to a Super Saiyan. And besides, that kind of power can easily be misused. The androids destroyed almost everything in the other timeline.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Bulma knowing how to make stuff that powers people up to a ridiculous level does give me an idea for a fic involving her making superpowered suits that she then gives to the police of West City, causing organized crime to be basically obliterated. Even if they stop at somewhere around 1000, that still puts them beyond the 'Invincible to Bullets' and 'fast enough to be invisible to the naked eye up close' level.
She could even take volunteers and turn them into cyborgs. Crippled policemen or firefighters...
Shit. I just had an idea for a fic in which Gero is a good guy and is doing exactly that. Taking volunteers and turning them into cyborgs.
Maybe I can go and finally do the "What if the good guys were the bad guys and the bad guys were the good guys?" fic idea I had a while ago.
Goku as an omnicidal lunatic! Vegeta as a Fallen Hero! Freeza as the Benevolent Space Emperor! The Ginyu Force as... still the same, but now on the side of the good guys and less psychotic! Cell as the greatest man made defense against the threat of the Evil Saiyans! Majin Buu as the purest force of good in the universe, the sole line of defense against the evil Supreme Kais! Beerus and Whis still don't give a fuck!
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimarilol @ Beerus and Whis not giving a fuck. They wouldn't change at all.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, I recently had a fanfic idea about the problems of that type of technology getting into the wrong hands. Dr. Gero was out for revenge. Good thing he didn't want to take over the world for good. Of course, with the Z-Fighters around, it would be pretty hard for anyone to actually do it, even if they did have android technology.
edited 8th Feb '15 11:10:33 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!It seems DBXV is #1 in Japan at the moment!
Also, from what I've heard, if Xenoverse gets over 100,000 copies sold, Bamco is considering of making an HD remake of Tenkaichi 3 of all games.
That's a weird surprise, ain't it?
edited 8th Feb '15 11:11:28 PM by Rinsankajugin
Given that the world's already sort of "taken over", someone threatening to take over the world isn't that big a deal in my opinion. It's really just a question of whether they'd be a better ruler than that Dog King of Earth guy or not. If someone did take over, it's just like, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
When a nation is conquered, very little changes for the peasant class. Meanwhile, the earth doesn't have a ruling class outside the one guy who rules the entire planet, so there's not much nobility to be affected either. I think this is why Dragon Ball quickly changed from ambitious world-domination villains to genocide villains after Cerebus Syndrome set in; Piccolo Daimao was the only serious villain with aspirations of conquest.
edited 8th Feb '15 11:18:45 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Okay, speaking of the Dog King just reminded me: Why is Goku not world famous? He saved the world on International Television. He took on a massive terrorist organization by himself, as a child. He competed in and made it to the finals of two world martial arts tournaments, and won another, once again saving the world. His fight with Vegeta, just going by the Anime, was once again broadcast worldwide.
Why is this not the most recognizable motherfucker on the face of the planet? Why does Hercule have more credibility than Goku? Why do people believe when Hercule says the Z-Fighters use "tricks", when about two decades ago, most of them saw a senior citizen shoot a laser out of his hands and blow up the moon to defeat a giant monkey monster.
My various fanfics.

I kind of liked Gohan not needing Super Saiyan and just relying on his own, unhindered power. It just more awesome to me.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.