Manga/Dragon Ball

There were a lot of exciting things I saw this chapter, many of which had already been said, but did anyone else groan when they saw the name Planet Cereal?

At this point, it's better to roll with the food jokes.

There's a guy literally named Gas.

@Known Unknown

Wait, there are different wys to pronounce Kamehameha? It's not supposed to be like King Kamehameha?

Kay-o-ken to Kai-o-ken was the obvious correction that came to my mind.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jan 21st 2021 at 1:53:17 AM

Granola & Planet Cereal are not the most groan-worthy name I've heard in this series (that'd be either Paragus, Caulifla or Bra), but it's definitely close.

King Kamehameha is pronounced more smoothly as Ka-meyha-meyha (you can hear it here), and for whatever reason a lot of earlier NA dubs had the characters pronounce the Dragonball move (which is supposed to be pronounced enunciating each syllable: ka-may-ha-may-ha) that way until they eventually stopped, leading to a lot of older fans pronouncing it that way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2021 at 2:29:17 AM

@Very Melon: I'm a mythology buff, so I don't hate any of them. Korean murim Cultivation is better, but I don't mind either.

At least they did it syllable by syllable when actually using the attack.

The names always do kinda remind you that this franchise was originally just a comedy version of Journey to the West with silly names galore.

I'm just looking forward to after Granolah's defeated, when it turns out his two pals Wheat and Barley and even stronger than him and will arrive on Earth within a year.

only to reveal Yamcha is one of them!

Nah, Yamcha got taken out by a Soybaman.

His name pun is cereal, not grains.

boo and also well played

Beerus really feels like he outlived his usefulness in the plot. He doesn't even serve as a benchmark for Goku anymore, who has surpassed him and is now aiming at reaching Grand Priest level.

I mean you could say that about any of Goku’s long-surpassed rivals, going all the way back to Yamcha.

Making Beerus Vegeta's mentor while Whis trains Goku is a pretty fun direction for Beerus imo.

It'd be nice if we get to see the training.

At least Beerus is doing something now.

Sometimes I wonder why he’s even awake if the majority of the interactions Goku and Vegeta have is with Whis.

The problem is that Beerus and Whis are being used to represent different courses for Goku and Vegeta to take, but they aren't. They never have been. They're steps on the hierarchy.

It's like if your rival was training under Piccolo, and then the offer to train under Piccolo too is presented to you. But you reject it because you don't want to follow your rival's path, so you go train under Yamcha instead. Surely Yamcha's training will keep you on par with Piccolo's, right?

Vegeta is shooting to surpass Goku by not doing things that are making Goku the top dog, and instead shooting for explicitly lesser options. Beerus is not Whis's equal. He is not Whis's rival. He is not Whis's counterpart. He is a step on the ladder, and Whis is the step above him. This simultaneously will and will not work for Vegeta, and both outcomes are stupid.

It will not work for Vegeta because he will never actually surpass Goku. He's doomed to play second fiddle forever. Goku is the main protagonist. So when he goes off on how he doesn't want to do things that actually work and wants to go do things that suck instead, and then he fails to get anywhere, it's expressly his fault. He's transitioned from being unable to catch up due to Goku being better than him to being unable to catch up because he refuses to do things that actually work and that made Goku the fighter that he is. That's not an improvement.

But at the same time, it will work for Vegeta because he's Goku's second banana. He'll never surpass Goku but he will remain at least close to Goku's level, even though it makes absolutely zero sense that his deliberate choice to pursue shittier training and reject the abilities and techniques that make Goku effective would still net him these kinds of results.

And so, Vegeta's "Goku cooties" tantrums both will and will not reap rewards for him, and it's dumb both ways. This has been a thing since his offscreen earning of Super Saiyan God, but it's more visible than ever now. Vegeta is a useless idiot consistently reaping huge undeserved gains from his own self-defeating stubbornness.

Dear lord, we traded Gohan for this.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:36:09 AM

Differentiating Goku and Vegeta just feels way more interesting to me than making Vegeta Goku-lite forever.

He's a Saiyan.

When have they ever been distinct?

So will Geets reject dying to avoid all those pesky afterlife tutors tainted with Goku cooties?

So that’s why he wanted to be immortal

Vegeta is going to be Goku-lite no matter what he does. I have to agree with Tobias, I really don't see how having Vegeta reject entirely legitimate paths to getting stronger solely because Goku is doing them is supposed to add to his character in any way. Like I said before, it's just defining him even more by Goku, because he's not making decisions by their own merit but explicitly because of Goku's decisions.

The Fridge Logic of how having to do something that must be explicitly inferior to what Goku is doing is a different factor to ponder about.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 22nd 2021 at 4:45:38 AM

Vegeta isn't rejecting Ultra Instinct solely because of Goku, it's because he feels it doesn't suit his personality, which seems entirely reasonable to me.