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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10551: Feb 7th 2015 at 1:32:33 AM

Yes, it is a mechanic for Super Saiyan. Do the swiping motion on the card and Goku turns into a Super Saiyan. That card provides no buffs for Goku's base form. All it is, is a base Goku that can transform.

You don't even know how the cards work.

edit: Personally I wouldn't count variations since they're really not separate characters, or CACs since that's something we add ourselves. So we have 46 characters in the base game.

edited 7th Feb '15 1:36:14 AM by Saiga

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10552: Feb 7th 2015 at 1:35:08 AM

Oh, I forgot to add the variations with completely different bodies, since those could make playstyles and stats feel much differently from the normal characters.

There's only 3 though: Ginyu Goku, Goku Ginyu and Small Majin Buu.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10553: Feb 7th 2015 at 1:44:08 AM

[up][up] Except Broly shows a similar form in his debut movie, and it's obviously the same thing since a) the hair and eye color are exactly the same, which wouldn't work in his Super Saiyan form since he has blue hair and green eyes, which no amount of shading could make look the same, and b) when Paragus gets him to calm down in his fight with Goku, the only difference in appearance between the two states is that his hair is no longer spiky when he goes down to base, there is literally no difference in hair or eye color between the two forms, and I've seen that scene enough times to notice it.

edited 7th Feb '15 1:44:37 AM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10554: Feb 7th 2015 at 2:00:34 AM

No, it's not the same thing. If there was an actual technique that Toei came up with during the show's run, it would actually be documented somewhere. They don't just invent new techniques without naming, explaining, or even mentioning them.

Toei sometimes gave golden auras to the base Saiyans. That doesn't mean anything.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10555: Feb 7th 2015 at 2:07:50 AM

With the full roster known to us, who do any of ya think you'll main?

Still going with Piccolo, 17 and Orlen, gonna get EOB variation Bardock and will most surely try out Jaco when he's available.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10558: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:04:28 AM

I mean I plan on playing a lot of the characters, but when it comes to online the CaCs are fully customisable, will play exactly how I want them, and look like they're going to be extremely strong compared to the normal characters.

Created characters really overshadow the regular cast members, here.

I am looking forward to playing as Gohan, Videl and Trunks for their costumes and shit. As well as Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Vegeta for being permanent Super Saiyans.

Actually now I'm wondering how Gohan's Ultimate state works in this game. It's an in-game transformation, is it temporary? Because that would make no sense. But if it's not, then what the flying fuck?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10561: Feb 7th 2015 at 8:09:40 AM

You know what I'm surprised about?

I'm surprised there's never been an AU or something where someone other than Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan. It'd be interesting to see a role switch between Goku and Broly, or something like that.

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#10563: Feb 7th 2015 at 11:03:38 AM

I know there is a fan fic for that.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10564: Feb 7th 2015 at 11:31:47 AM

[up][up]Not any more than the bulked up form Goku showed Gohan in the Room Of Mispronounced Names and Times.

Broly is effin' huge even in base form. As is Nappa, come to think of it.

I'd say they break two meters. Nappa's probably closer to two and a half than he is to two.

Anyway, point is, I don't think Goku would be anywhere near as huge as Broly even using the same transformation.

edited 7th Feb '15 11:32:19 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#10565: Feb 7th 2015 at 2:37:37 PM

Comparing SS 4 and SSG to determine whether SS 4 Gogeta should be able to beat Beerus is missing a very important point: one Goku is not equal to another. Super Saiyan Transformations run on a multiplier. Neither Super Saiyan 4 nor Super Saiyan God has a power level. While we do not know the actual multiplier of either, both are still multipliers; both are dependant on their respective Goku's power, and the Goku who becomes Super Saiyan God is not the same as the Goku who becomes Super Saiyan 4.

edited 7th Feb '15 2:38:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#10566: Feb 7th 2015 at 2:52:45 PM

plus,the whole Godly Ki deal might influence the damage output or whatever.

edited 7th Feb '15 2:52:59 PM by alekos23

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#10567: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:23:46 PM

It shouldn't be such a big deal. I just hope fanboys aren't going to start using this as a way to compare their powers. It's a video game, for gods sake. It's not like it's canon.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10568: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:39:35 PM

I'm surprised there's never been an AU or something where someone other than Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan. It'd be interesting to see a role switch between Goku and Broly, or something like that.

There is, it's called the main timeline.

Also yeah I'd say SS4 Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku simply because GT Goku is crazy strong. His base form has to start somewhere in the range of his Boo arc Super Saiyan 3 self, and he just keeps getting stronger from there. Both of the forms give a really big boost over Super Saiyan 3 looking at how both went from getting completely toyed with at Super Saiyan 3 but put up a fight (or in SS4's case totally dominated) the person that toyed with them previously.

edited 7th Feb '15 3:56:17 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10569: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:46:49 PM

.....

Since GT hasn't been flat out said to be out of canon (Battle of Gods doesn't really contradict it) is there a possibility that GT Goku's crazy power in base form is due to the God power up he got.

I mean, I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't really be using Super Saiyan in Revival of F, and if he's that powerful in base form now, this might explain it.

Now comes the part where Saiga tells me my theory is totally legitimate and bows down to my awesomeness.

......any moment now.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10570: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:54:17 PM

[up][up]Allow me to perform the customary eyeroll.

You know what I meant.

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#10571: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:56:08 PM

I'm going to laugh, cynically, mind you, if they say he doesn't need his Super Saiyan form anymore... and then they end the Goku vs. Frieza fight with him going Super Saiyan, except more powerful this time, and winning ._.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10572: Feb 7th 2015 at 3:57:43 PM

[up][up][up] Nothing has been said to be in or out of canon. But Goku uses Super Saiyan 2 and 3 in GT, where Toriyama said he likely won't after Battle of Gods due to the God power sort of replacing them.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10573: Feb 7th 2015 at 4:13:35 PM

Actually, that whole thing about Goku not going Super Saiyan was later said to be a mistranslation, with the non-transformation edict only applying to one scene. Furthermore, the initial poster and video trailer for the movie which came out before its plot was revealed both featured Goku going Super Saiyan.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10574: Feb 7th 2015 at 4:22:49 PM

Yeah, the actual dialogue was just Goku boasting that he won't need to become a Super Saiyan to fight Freeza, because of his recent power up.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#10575: Feb 7th 2015 at 5:23:15 PM

Ah. Alright.

That being said, it's possible that the combination of the continued years of training, alongside the God power up could explain Base Goku being so strong in GT.

Yes, it's really because the writers sucked, and didn't know what the muffins they were doing, but I think this could also work.

I alson now have a weird theory that Super Saiyan 4 could be achieved at any level, as long as you look at the full moon while a super saiyan Oozaru, but it's power is much more variable because of it.

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