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#10351: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:06:38 AM

If all three are available, Bardock, Android 17, and Videl.

Back when...I want to say Budokai 2 or 3, but can't remember exactly which it was, but a really long time ago, I used to play Tournament Mode and Versus Mode with random fighters, and would invent silly headcanons to justify why Piccolo is fighting Zarbon or how Android 16 is fighting Kid Buu. Bardock, 17, and Videl kept coming up frequently, and so they became the main characters of a silly fanfiction story about a time disaster threatening the universe, and the Supreme Kai plucking three champions from each of the three major sagas to fight it: Bardock, 17, and Gohan Videl because he f*cked up and missed.

It's an utterly ridiculous idea that my mind just keeps going back to when the games come out or when I'm just bored, with Bardock, 17, and Videl traveling through time and space fighting evil. The plot of Xenoverse is actually really close to what I wound up coming up with, so of course I have to main them.

It's been a long time since I've thought about that. I think I came up with something like Bardock being spiritually empowered to absorb and internalize energy from the victims of whoever he's fighting, or something like that, to balance out the incredible power disparity between him and 17; something to do with his "Heroic" Sacrifice trying to save Planet Vegeta from Frieza imbuing him with to be the fist of vengeance for all who've suffered at the hands of his enemy. But he's still an asshole.

EDIT: Oh! And there was something about all the villains somehow being revived. Like, Frieza's back and has his army and they're a faction, and Frieza and Cell are best buds and train together, and Kid Buu is just traveling the universe destroying shit, and all the movie villains exist because they're in the games so, like, Cooler is a rival of Frieza and they're competing for control of the universe, and Turles is a wildcard who drifts between factions, and Broly recognizes Bardock as the Father of Kakarot and utterly despises him but somehow wound up with his own faction when a fight between him and Kid Buu ended up inadvertently saving millions of people who now worship him as their god....

edited 30th Jan '15 9:17:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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#10352: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:16:12 AM

You could always turn that into fanfic. It might be silly, but it's an enjoyable kind of silly.

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#10353: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:17:29 AM

Yeah, it is silly and was the product of using the randomizer to determine battles, but it was a lot of fun coming up with explanations for, like, "Well, okay, this team has Bardock AND Broly in it, so why would they be working together? ... At great urgings by Bardock for Broly to consider and respect the people who depend on him, Broly begrudgingly set aside their mortal conflict so they could work together to defeat those who threaten his tribe, which are....Cooler, a treacherous Captain Ginyu, and...Goku? Ooh, mind control!"

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#10354: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:55:29 AM

Welcome to the joys of writing fanfiction, dood. Coming up with explanations to justify silly stuff is what it's all about.

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#10355: Jan 30th 2015 at 4:25:21 PM

Bardock was introduced in Budokai 3, so that would've been the game.

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#10356: Jan 30th 2015 at 7:30:18 PM

Gawd dang. Thread Hop.

Wasn't it Budokai 3 that had the RPG mechanics? What about Budokai in particular did you like in the customisation? I don't remember how the first game differed from the others. Or did you mean the series?

Budokai 2 had this "RPG map minigame" where you had HP for every fight you won or lost, characters were board game pieces... I guess it was more of a board game. You could find the Z-Sword with Gohan and drastically increase his ATK. You could teleport on Popo's cloud. You had to chase objectives, in one stage, Majin Buu would absorb Frieza and Cell.

Something to expand on that, it was pretty basic and clunky back then. Budokai 3 had a 3D map and traditional RPG mechanics.

Budokai gave you options like 1/3, 1/2 Senzu Bean, Heart Virus. Though, I meant the series. There were unique items like the Majin Symbol, the Halo, Heart Virus antidote, all little Continuity Nod's to the series itself that I enjoyed.

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#10357: Jan 30th 2015 at 7:33:56 PM

They are trying so hard to make us take Freeza seriously. Not working.

Given how Battle of Gods turned out, even with the EPIC BATTLE OF PUDDING VS EVIL at the end, maybe they aren't trying to make us take him seriously. Look at the OVA. Comedy, all the way through. I saw Master Roshi in the Return of F trailer... I don't even know what the f'ck he's even doing there, other than for a gag.

From the looks of that second trailer(and without having followed any news about the film), wild mass guessBeerus isn't going to resolve this plot because he has a cold.

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I came to ask: can Saiyans breath in space?

Goku was in orbit during Battle of Gods, Vegeta trained in outer space, Bardock flew into space to fight Frieza. Broly somehow survived that comet and made his way to Earth.

Goku obviously needed a spaceship to reach Namek, but that also could've been due to its sheer distance and Goku not knowing exactly where it was himself. He also needed a ship to leave Namek, true.

The films seem to deviate from this. Return of Cooler has Goku wearing a space suit, yet there's Bardock, and there's the fight with Beerus.

Isn't there some point in the upper atmos...stratos...somethingsphere, near the top where you can still technically breath, even though you can see the curvature of the Earth?

[down]Ah. Thank you. Long-time question answered. Obvious in hindsight really.

edited 30th Jan '15 7:48:19 PM by FOFD

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#10358: Jan 30th 2015 at 7:36:56 PM

It was explicitly stated by Frieza that no, Saiyans cannot breathe in space. That was the point of his Ragequit Attack against the planet; it wasn't the explosion that would kill Goku, but the vacuum, while Frieza, conversely, could survive in space.

This point was brought up again when they were trying to revive Goku - that because you are resurrected at your body, just having Shenron raise Goku would bring him back where Planet Namek once was, and he would immediately die again in the harsh vacuum of space

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#10359: Jan 30th 2015 at 8:00:30 PM

Minor corrections: Freeza wasn't explicit, he said he didn't know if Saiyans can survive a vacuum. But it's assumed by most other characters that Goku won't survive.

The point brought up was in relation to Goku and Kuririn, they never specified Goku would die. It's implied he would, though.

But Goku once went to the moon just fine. That whole scene is super contradictory to basically everything, though. Goku has shown to have trouble breathing in areas high above the ground, suggesting he still needs air.

So it's never made super clear that Goku can't survive space, but everything in the manga bar one gag scene strongly suggests it.

@Budokai 2 Ah right, the board game. I think I'd like that as a separate feature to the main story line, but it was kind of cool. Except for the parts that were deliberately set up to be frustrating...

edited 30th Jan '15 8:05:16 PM by Saiga

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#10360: Jan 30th 2015 at 8:31:06 PM

Saiyans do need to breathe, though, that much we know. While they can hold their breath for very long periods of time, even fighting, nothing's ever been done or said to suggest that they don't need to breathe.

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#10361: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:16:15 PM

Live stream.

They just showed that Shenron can change your character after it has been created. Yes.

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#10362: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:31:06 PM

This is simultaneously expected and appreciated.

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#10364: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:52:16 PM

The Lord of Hell is playable?!

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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#10365: Jan 30th 2015 at 10:24:07 PM

Partial roster.

Stage select screen.

Finally, we get a generic "sky" stage. I've been holding out for so long for that.

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#10366: Jan 30th 2015 at 10:24:53 PM

YES! I've missed Satan! Nice to see he's not being snubbed by the fighting games anymore!

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#10367: Jan 30th 2015 at 10:47:22 PM

The generic 'Sky' stage shown on that screenshot looks like it will be the one that's most likely used for Goku's fight with Beerus IN SPAAAAACE, 'cus, you know, they took their fight there at one point.

Also, I seem to recall there being purely aerial stages in some of the very early fighting games, but I can't remember which it was. Maybe it was one of the Genesis ones? I haven't played any of those since my Genesis died, which was close to a decade ago, I think, so I can't remember.

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#10368: Jan 30th 2015 at 10:56:00 PM

No, there's a space stage and a sky stage. The sky stage is where Goku fights Fat Boo.

All I know is that no PS2 era onward game had a sky stage. Burst Limit had sky sections, though, which was not close enough.

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#10369: Jan 30th 2015 at 11:06:19 PM

Huh.

My eyes must not be trained to see horribly well in horribly low quality screen caps, 'cause I can't quite tell what most of those are.

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#10370: Jan 30th 2015 at 11:16:30 PM

Huh, Time Patrol Trunks isn't in the demo despite being in an earlier demo build. I'd chalk it up to him being a costume for Future Trunks, but the two actually have different names on the Hud. (Trunks for Time Patrol Trunks and Trunks (Future) for Future Trunks)

This probably means he's one of the unlockable characters. Same goes for Great Saiyaman 1 and 2, SSJ4 Goku and Gogeta, Super 17, Omega Shenron and possibly the new villains.

edited 30th Jan '15 11:17:08 PM by Rinsankajugin

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#10371: Jan 31st 2015 at 12:02:40 AM

I love how the new "thing" is to give random Frieza fodder precedence over Zarbon and Dodoria. I'm not even as big a fan of those two compared to the Ginyu Force, but goddamn, why not give the slots to characters who actually displayed... fighting? I feel sorry for their fans.

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#10372: Jan 31st 2015 at 12:24:16 AM

By fighting...you mean character who didn't get one-shot.

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#10373: Jan 31st 2015 at 12:30:36 AM

Sure, not having characters like Zarbon or 16 sucks, but the game itself looks and plays great and will have a ton of content aside from the roster. The best thing to do at the moment is to give Xenoverse and DIMPS a lot of support and feedback, as so we could have missing characters come back either through DLC or a potential sequel.

Seriously, I don't want Xenoverse to end up like Burst Limit and become a one-off game, I really want this to be the next big Dragon Ball gaming series.

edited 31st Jan '15 12:31:17 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#10374: Jan 31st 2015 at 4:41:26 AM

I also don't want Xenoverse to be a one-off game, but I'm not sure how you follow up on this. I know previous Dragon Ball games just hone the same story over later instalments (that being Raditz - Boo, mostly) so would a Xenoverse 2 just take Xenoverse's story, but redo it with more changes made to the timeline to cover new characters introduced (like Zarbon/Dodoria)? Or do they make a story that's a sequel to Xenoverse? Because Xenoverse doesn't sound like an easy story to write a sequel for, since the story is heavily involved in changes to the main timeline. It feels like anything they'd do on the story front might feel like a rehash.

Granted other games did that by always following the manga's story, but Xenoverse is the first to deviate from that. Immediately following that up with a rehash would be weird.

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#10375: Jan 31st 2015 at 8:51:04 AM

Xenoverse 2 wouldn't really need to be much more than an expansion pack, to be quite honest. Throw in more characters, more moves, more costumes, more alternate history bits, and we'll be happy.

Depending on how Xenoverse's story mode ends, we might even have a pretty easy sequel in terms of plot by just continuing where Xenoverse ended.

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