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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10126: Jan 9th 2015 at 9:40:29 AM

Surprisingly enough, DBH is one of Bamco's highest selling arcade games at the moment. (at least that what one of my friends tells me, he living in Japan atm)

It's getting updated soon to become the God Missions, which will be about Online, Xenoverse and the new Frieza movie. Maybe a few more characters from DB, Z and GT will appear as well.

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#10127: Jan 9th 2015 at 9:44:56 AM

While Budokai Tenkaichi as a series was most likely the best Dragon Ball fighting games ever released... It didn't actually sell well. IIRC, the Budokai series actually outsold it. I have no idea how that can be.

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#10128: Jan 9th 2015 at 9:44:58 AM

One thing I do want the games to bring back is the ability to turn off in-battle CPU transformations. Some of the earlier games had that option but they stopped doing it for some reason.

It always bugged me to do, like, Frieza v. Goku on Namek and then have Goku suddenly turn into a Super Saiyan 3.

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#10129: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:45:06 AM

IIRC, Tenkaichi 1 made individual slots for transformations and divvied them up, like "Saiyan Saga Goku", then Frieza Saga - Base, Super Saiyan", then "Buu Saga Goku" - Base, SSJ 1, SSJ 2, SSJ 3.

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#10130: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:47:31 AM

Tenkaichi 1 didn't even have in-battle transformation, IIRC. That was brought back for Tenkaichi 2.

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#10131: Jan 9th 2015 at 4:13:05 PM

[up][up][up] I want to go back to equipping transformation as items so you don't have to choose between none or all for transformations. Maybe I want my opponent to have some forms, but not all.

I also feel YYH would be worse with a remake. I prefer the animation it had over most modern animation, and if it tried to be more faithful to the manga it'd be significantly worse. It's not just the ending that the manga screwed up, the anime changed several things along the way, and the dub script improved on it further. A more accurate dub would also hurt the series.

I guess I would like a remake that's identical except for including some of the material the anime omitted (the side stories at the start of the manga, some of the side stories at the end which had nice Yusuke/Keiko moments) but I feel an actual remake would want to differentiate from the original anime and so it wouldn't keep the changes that made it better.

Kind of like Sailor Moon Crystal, actually.

edited 9th Jan '15 4:16:02 PM by Saiga

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#10132: Jan 9th 2015 at 5:10:41 PM

I have to ask, but what was so bad about the manga ending?

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#10133: Jan 9th 2015 at 6:45:24 PM

It completely rushed the final arc, no-one but Yusuke got a fight, and Yusuke's fight wasn't shown fully. Or even halfway.

Then there were a bunch of side stories and massive retcons saying Humans Are the Real Monsters and Yusuke has been killing innocent demons the whole time who were brainwashed by Spirit World into being evil so Spirit World looks good, waaaaah demons are innocent waaaaaaaaaah.

Togashi has this habit of throwing his story into the shitter so he can wank about how bad humans are.

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#10134: Jan 9th 2015 at 6:51:57 PM

The story had been building up to Humans Are the Real Monsters since Sensui. Well, technically since Tarukane, but it wasn't intrusive until Sensui. One of the reasons I consider the Sensui arc to be the point the series Jumped the Shark.

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#10135: Jan 9th 2015 at 6:56:54 PM

Sensui arc subverted it though, with Chapter White. Koenma calls Chapter Black a "one-sided argument". Kind of funny in hindsight, when Togashi would go on to basically wax on about how much humans sucked in his next work without anything to balance it.

I think the series Jumped the Shark there as well, but only when Sensui was revealed to have multiple personalities and S-class power. Up until that point it was really good, Sensui was a threat because of his experience and skill and made a repeated point that he was actually weaker than Yusuke... then NOPE Sensui is the strongest and he no sells everything.

edited 9th Jan '15 6:58:24 PM by Saiga

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#10136: Jan 9th 2015 at 7:02:13 PM

You do realize Lord Enma stopped controlling the villainous demons after Rando, right? Everyone since then were working under their own power and intentions, there was no brainwashing involved.

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#10137: Jan 9th 2015 at 7:02:14 PM

His point about being weaker than Yusuke was, itself, flawed though. He claims that he can beat Yusuke because even though Yusuke's physical body strength is far superior to Sensui, Yusuke is spiritually weak and cannot hope to compare to Sensui's incredible spirit energy.

So Yusuke is super-strong of body but spiritually weak? Since when? Sensui is describing Toguro, and his reasons for why Yusuke can't win against him is actually the exact reason why Yusuke won against Toguro. Yusuke's also reduced to only being able to fire his Spirit Gun once a day again, a limitation he hasn't had for a long time.

I'd had a lot of problems with various characterization until then, but Sensui blatantly ignoring established canon from less than one arc ago is where the quality took a sharp downhill plummet for me.

edited 9th Jan '15 7:04:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10138: Jan 9th 2015 at 7:08:06 PM

That's not it. He was using his experience to keep up and ahead of Yusuke. That's why the turning point was when Yusuke actually did something clever.

That entire arc was showing that Yusuke wasn't just going to brute force his way through everything (until the end, when he did) from the start.

And Yusuke didn't beat Toguro because Togs was spiritually weak, the only one in that fight spiritually weak was Yusuke. He had no will to draw out his strength. He overcame that from Kuwabara being injured, but it's not like Toguro had any troubles with his own power.

Against Toguro, Yusuke couldn't bring out his power. Against Sensui, Yusuke couldn't make the most of it.

When did the Spirit Gun thing come up?

edited 9th Jan '15 7:08:35 PM by Saiga

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#10139: Jan 9th 2015 at 7:17:35 PM

It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember Sensui having a line about how Yusuke's spirit energy is too weak during their confrontation in the cave prior to the Multiple Identities reveal, despite the whole point of the Genkai/Toguro conflict and Yusuke's absorption of the Spirit Wave orb being Genkai's focus on spiritual energy versus Toguro's focus on purely physical strength. With the Spirit Wave orb absorbed, Yusuke should be immensely spiritually strong - enough so that his Spirit Gun was able to obliterate Toguro once he got past the mental blocks keeping him from using it; like Cell, nobody worked quite as hard to see Yusuke defeat Toguro as Toguro did, but at least he actually had a reason for that.

As for the Spirit Gun, Yusuke fires it once at Sensui during their fight in the cave, and then the point is made that he's out of shots and can't use it anymore. Yusuke is somehow back to the Spirit Gun being a one-off despite the fact that he hasn't had that limitation since before the Dark Tournament.

There were also a lot of assorted problems with the arc such as Genkai being all about saving the world when her characterization to this point has been "Let someone else do something noble with [my power]," or having to resuscitate the Doctor so that Yusuke doesn't have to deal with the trauma of taking a life even though this is far from his first kill, or Hiei randomly becoming altruistic to everyone's surprise including Hiei's, etc. The Sensui Saga was a mess, and what came after wasn't much better.

edited 9th Jan '15 7:17:53 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10140: Jan 9th 2015 at 7:28:36 PM

I don't know remember that line, but that doesn't make sense. Sensui is constantly talking about how Yusuke has more spiritual energy than him. And spiritual Energy = strength, Toguro has crazy spiritual energy as well, which is why lesser demons in the dark tournament were getting killed by it.

I'll have to check the Spirit Gun thing, but honestly a defined number of shots doesn't make a great deal of sense anyway since fighting should reduce the shots he has available.

I don't think anything else you mentioned is a problem. Hiei and Genkai both act they way they do because they've warmed up to Yusuke although they won't admit it (they're practically non-romantic tsunderes) and Yusuke has never killed a human before. Call it specism but he didn't know the demons he fought before were anything but monsters and even then he hardly killed that many. He wasn't huge on killing Toguro either.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10141: Jan 9th 2015 at 11:40:37 PM

One thing that should be a, well, thing, is that there should be an equivalent to Budokai Tenkaichi 3's Red Potara characters, at least for the CPU's usage.

Past a certain point, the CPU just won't be able to keep up with a human player unless it cheats, and I'd rather it cheat this way than through frame-perfect play, because I can counter an overpowered character but I can't fight a TAS and expect to win.

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#10142: Jan 9th 2015 at 11:49:29 PM

Infinite World doesn't cheat and that is still plenty challenging. Well, not against top players, but then the Red Potara are still far easier than that.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10143: Jan 9th 2015 at 11:51:44 PM

I'm not expecting the AI to be very good.

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#10144: Jan 9th 2015 at 11:52:39 PM

Well, why not? It's better than cheating.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10145: Jan 10th 2015 at 8:00:10 AM

Laziness, mostly. Making a cheating AI is easier than making a legitimately smart AI that adapts to the player's fighting style to counter it. And if they're gonna cheat, I'd rather they cheat in a way that still leaves the AI beatable through superior skill, even if it takes longer to do it, rather than a way that renders the AI invincible unless you get lucky.

edited 10th Jan '15 8:03:33 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10146: Jan 10th 2015 at 8:52:19 AM

I'm not sure if any of ya heard, but DBXV is getting a small delay so that DIMPS can improve a couple of things. Apparently it'll release on 17th in Japan and 26th elsewhere. (Or something like that)

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10147: Jan 10th 2015 at 9:08:45 AM

Given that I've been waiting on receiving any information on Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory II for months, a small delay like that ain't that big a deal.

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#10148: Jan 10th 2015 at 11:39:02 AM

Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory II for months


...now that caught me off-guard.

Yu Yu Hakusho, Negima, Naruto, fine. But I never would've guessed you'd be into that series.

EDIT: Quoteblock is still on the fritz apparently.

edited 10th Jan '15 11:40:01 AM by FOFD

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#10149: Jan 10th 2015 at 11:54:21 AM

Why would you be surprised?

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#10150: Jan 10th 2015 at 2:14:06 PM

Just... am.


Can Saiyans survive in a vacuuum, deep space? We've seen Vegeta, Goku, and Bardock for varying periods of time.

Also, what's up with the Super Spirit Bomb killing Buu but not destroying the Supreme Kai world, yet Buu's Planet Buster destroyed Earth and he regenerated from that?

  • Spirit Bomb is a "good" attack that isn't as volatile.
  • Goku somehow controlled the Spirit Bomb so it wouldn't do that.
  • Supreme Kai world is denser than Earth, sparing it from destruction.


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