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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10001: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:00:24 PM

[up][up] He wasn't using the technique while training, and comments were only made on how strong he became.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10002: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:03:40 PM

Kaioken strains the body when used. A stronger body is able to handle a larger strain. Therefore, after Goku strengthens his body, he can handle a bigger Kaioken.

We don't exactly know if the same principle applies to the Super Saiyan transformations, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Simply because Dragon Ball doesn't have really complex, bullshit mechanics. Stuff tends to be straightforward.

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#10003: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:21:24 PM

To be fair to Saint Seiya, a lot of the dialogue puts it on a level way above Dragon Ball. It's just that the author really doesn't show it.

the author specifically details the speeds which certain saints can reach. bronze saints can go up to mach 1, silver saints can go up to mach 3, and gold saints can move at the speed of light. One of the saints has the power to generate temperatures so low they reach absolute zero. i'm not sure how fast most of the characters in dragon ball can actually move, but the speed of light is still nothing to sneeze at.

despite how utterly and completely broken this sounds on a conceptual level it's not really explored much beyond "I'M LIKE 10000X TIMES FASTER THAN YOU, YOUR PUNCHES ARE LIKE SNAILS MOVING BESIDE ME".

kurumada isn't exactly what i would call a good writer, frankly.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10004: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:34:52 PM

A lot of people argue that they'd reach speed of light based on a few things, but any actual measurements case Toriyama gave show they are way off light speed - To prove he can teleport, he tells Vegeta how far Muten Roshi's place is, and that he can reach it in an instant with merely super speed. I can't remember the exact distance given, but for someone with lightspeed getting there and back would take a fraction of a second.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#10005: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:38:02 PM

Actually, I remember that Toriyama said that the characters only got to light speed during the Buu Saga in an interview around the time period the saga was being written.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10006: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:39:13 PM

You remember reading a fake interview.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#10007: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:41:39 PM

It was more of a passing comment really; just look for old Toriyama interviews during the 90s.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10008: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:43:32 PM

I already know what you're talking about - it's fake. Toriyama has never said anything about characters reaching light speed, but there was a fake interview saying such that made the rounds a while back.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10009: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:46:53 PM

Can anyone even find the old 90s interviews to check though?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10010: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:54:01 PM

The only interview on the internet that says anything about speed of light (The Super Otaku interview) has been proven fake - The Super Otaku magazine doesn't exist. That's all there is to it.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#10011: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:19:16 PM

I kind of meant in general.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#10012: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:46:17 PM

speaking of Vegetto,wasn't he part dead?since Vegeta was dead at the time of the fusion.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10013: Dec 31st 2014 at 7:20:35 AM

There is no such thing as being partially dead or only mostly dead.

Anyway, the DBZ characters are way off Lightspeed, and it's only filler in the Buu saga that puts Gotenks at that level, IIRC, when he's lapping around the world.

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#10016: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:48:19 AM

...Hey I just realize a problem with that Vegeta question on how he can be more pure hearted than Goku....if Goku doesn't know the different between family and friend love than why did he told Gohan to tell his mother that he loved her.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#10017: Jan 2nd 2015 at 12:57:18 PM

It just occurred to me why the Spirit Bomb didn't kill Frieza.

The Spirit Bomb is a ghost type move and Frieza's a dark type, and dark types resist ghost type moves.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10018: Jan 2nd 2015 at 1:59:47 PM

Freeza's Psychic/Ice.

The Genkidama, like Aura Sphere, is probably a Fighting move.

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CardboardPancakes A lot of fiber. Since: May, 2014
A lot of fiber.
#10019: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:03:25 PM

[up](x6)

Danny Phantom and Dark Souls.

Never knows best.
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#10020: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:05:37 PM

[up][up]Why Psychic?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10021: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:06:37 PM

He can use telekinesis.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#10022: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:11:31 PM

So Piccolo's a psychic type?

And Goku's a psychic type?

And King Kai is a psychic type?

And Vegeta's a psyhic type?

Telekinesis isn't exactly uncommon in this series.

Eh, maybe you're right.

edited 2nd Jan '15 2:13:39 PM by BaconManiac5000

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#10023: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:19:21 PM

Still, I don't think that the Spirit Bomb is a fighting type move, considering they don't use their own energy for it.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#10024: Jan 2nd 2015 at 3:03:01 PM

See, the thing is, for most everyone else, it is learned. Freeza, however, doesn't train, ever, so I can only assume that his telekinetic abilities are innate.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#10025: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:17:06 PM

Apparently someone on another forum saw a recent Xenoverse livestream and saw a bunch of supers and ultimates along with descriptions. Here's what he saw (not a complete list due to the video going to fast through the list):

Supers

  • Super Dragon Fist: Long Range Strike skill! After you have leapt in unleash a barrage of 3 hits max!
  • Justice Pose: Strike a pose to raise all your abilities! Like it? That's an allies of justice pose!
  • Fighting Pose C: Strike a pose and fix abnormal status. During the effect,abnormal status won't occur.
  • Fighting Pose H: Strike a pose and temporarily reduce damage!
  • Fighting Pose D: Strike a pose and temporarily speed up Boost Dash!
  • Kamehameha: The definitive Dragon Ball skill! Fire a ki blast that can be charged to stage 3!
  • Spirit Bomb: Collect energy and fire a fearsome Ki blast! Release your stored energy whenever you want!
  • Riot Javelin: Changes into a agressive ki blast when your health is very low.
  • Tyrant Lancer: Fire ki waves as you advance!
  • 10x Kamehameha: A ki blast that can be charged with more power than a normal Kamehameha!
  • Consecutive Ki Blast: Fire off Ki Blasts over a wide range in front of you!
  • Kamekameha: Attack with a Ki Blast that's weaker than a kamehameha but faster!
  • Masenko: Fire a Ki Blast straight ahead! Use (Left stick down?(not sure)) at the same time to back jump as you do it!
  • Ki Blast Cannon: Fire a shockwave to launch your enemy in slow motion! Link this move to a combo.
  • Evil Explosion: Fire a short-range powerful Ki Blast that can be charged up to stage 3!
  • Light Grenade: Charge this move by hitting the button repeatedly for Ki Blasts at maximum power!
  • Evil Eyes: Set off a explosion at your enemy's destination. A long-range attack!
  • Destructo Disk: A move that fires a disk shaped Ki Blast! Although slow in speed,it has great homing,and cannot be guarded as well.
  • Turtle Style Last Resort: Shock and numb your enemy! The numbness will last a while. But it also takes a while to launch.
  • Double Sunday: Fire 2 Ki Blasts straight ahead. Use (Left Stick down?) for a V-shaped Ki Blast!
  • Saturday Crash: Fire a Ki Blast that numbs your enemy. It won't last long but it's easy. You won't be vulnerable.
  • Shining Friday: Fires a powerful Ki blast in front of your eyes.Damages enemy or cancels their Ki Blasts!
  • Bomber DX: Fire a Ki Blast that cancels even strong Ki Blasts! Carefull: long activation period.
  • Genocide Shell: Fire four unmoving Ki Blasts foward!
  • Galick Gun: Takes less time to charge than the Kamehameha. Careful: It's not quite as poweful.
  • Flash Strike: Trigger an explosion at your enemy's destination. Attack again and increase the damage!
  • Finish Breaker: A barrage attack that scatters Ki Blasts. You can use it while jumping!
  • Shine Shot: Fire a Ki Blast while jumping sideways! Use (Left stick up?) or (Left stick down?) to change direction
  • Crusher Ball: Jump high like in a volleyball attack,then fire a Ki Blast.
  • Milky Canon: A Ki Blast that stops in midair! Chargeable. Charge length changes stopping point.
  • Death Beam: Input commands as a series to launch up to 3 Ki Blasts quickly!

Ultimates

  • Super Saiyan: Become a Super Saiyan! You will lose ki fast,but there won't be any limits on your skill use.
  • Symphonic Destruction: Sweep the field in front of you with countless ultra-poweful Ki Waves!
  • Super Kamehameha: Unleash a Super Powerful Kamehameha! You will need ki to use Ultimate moves.
  • Saiyan Spirit: Attack with a ultimate fist full of Saiyan Soul! If you suceed,add a follow up Ki Wave.
  • Full Power Energy Blast Volley: Attack with a barrage of powerful Ki Blasts!
  • Explosive Assault: Fire a barrage of powerful Ki Blasts and Ki Waves! Carefull: You will be very vulnerable
  • Special Beam Cannon: Concentrate energy in your fingertips and attack with a fierce Ki Blast. This move can't be blocked!
  • Hellzone Grenade: Attack your enemy from all sides with a swarm of powerful Ki Blasts!
  • Chain Destructo-disk Barrage: Launch a barrage of powerful Destructo-disks!
  • Scatter Kamehameha: fire a powerful,scattering ki blast at your enemy
  • Weekend: Attack with a double Ki Blast. Use (Left stick down?) to launch a V-shaped Ki Blast!
  • Vacation Delete: Trigger a giant explosion with a Ki Blast! Hit the enemy to temporarily numb them.
  • Break Cannon: Spew all charged Ki from your mouth. The more Ki you have, the stronger the attack!
  • Giant Storm: Set off a huge explosion under your enemy! Fly into the air to guard against the back draft.
  • Final Flash: One of Vegeta's big moves. Focus Ki in both hands and launch a ultra-fierce Ki Blast!
  • Ultra Fightning Bomber: Trigger a giant wide-range explosion! Careful: Takes time to fire.
  • Death Ball: Frieza has destroyed whole planets with one of those attacks! A huge Ki Blast.
  • Heat Dome Attack: Trunk's big move. Shoot a huge Ki Wave straight up!
  • Super Electric Strike: Attack with a wide range, ultra powerful Ki Blast!
  • Shocking Death Ball: Attack with a formidable, ultra powerful Ki Blast! Hit your enemy to numb them.
  • Dual Destructo Disk: Fire 2 Destructo Disks at your enemy in a pincer attack!
  • Perfect Kamehameha: Attack with an Ultimate Kamehameha charged to the max!
  • Innocence Breath: Spew a powerful Ki Wave from your mouth and mow down your enemy!
  • Assault Rain: Make countless Ki Waves rain down from midair!
  • Teleporting Vanishing Ball: Use teleportation to launch a planet-crushing Ki Blast right in front of your enemy!
  • Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack: Create ultra powerful ghosts behind your own back!
  • Gigantic Meteor: Set off an ultimate explosion from a tiny Ki Blast packed with Ki!
  • Sphere of Destruction: Attack with a huge Ki Blast of overwhelming power, fired by the god of destruction!
  • Minus Energy Power Ball: Attack with an ultimate Ki Blast made of condensed minus energy!
  • X 100 Big Bang Kamehameha: An Ultimate Ki Wave! Switch off Lock-on to sweep from side to side as you fire.


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