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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#9951: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:29:09 AM

T Hat makes me wonder, just how strong Vegetto is compared to Beerus; Vegetto was the strongest character bar none by the end of the manga, soooo?

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#9952: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:49:27 AM

Extended version has Goku saying he doubts even fusion would be enough to beat Beerus.

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#9953: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:54:14 AM

[up] That. While I'm sure Super Saiyan God Vegetto would have a field day with Beerus, regular Super Saiyan Vegetto would still be sorely outclassed.

And Super Saiyan God Vegetto can't actually happen without finding another Saiyan.

edited 30th Dec '14 8:54:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9954: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:07:41 AM

Since Vegeta had a moment where he was very briefly giving Beerus a fight, I'd say Vegetto would be able to give him a good fight, but ultimately lose. So basically, I see Vegetto doing as well as SSG Goku did.

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#9955: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:12:47 AM

The main problem with that - ignoring how nonsensical that entire scene is after seeing Beerus curbstomp Goku at Super Saiyan 3 - is that we don't know how much of Beerus's power he was using during that scene. Like Frieza, Beerus spends the entire movie pulling that, "Aha, you have matched 53% of my strength, let's see how you handle 62%!" crap.

It's entirely possible that Vegeta "putting up a fight" against Beerus might well have been fighting, like, 22% Beerus or something. It's openly stated by Whis that even by movie's end, we've only seen 70% Beerus at most.

edited 30th Dec '14 9:13:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9956: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:17:41 AM

I've watched the movie many times and know all of that, which is why I said "do about as well as SSG Goku," and not "beat Beerus." Even at just 70% of his power it's clear Beerus was way too much for Goku. It was during their fight that Beerus powered up to that level when he got serious (when Goku was talking about how he's not happy with his power), so the Beerus Vegeta fought was likely the one that was a match for SSG Goku. That's the level of Beerus I think Super Vegetto would stand a chance against.

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edited 30th Dec '14 9:20:04 AM by Cruherrx

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#9959: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:02:19 AM

These mods are getting little too good.

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#9960: Dec 30th 2014 at 12:59:10 PM

Some of the accessories and wigs in Xenoverse:

Goku Base/SSJ wig check, Glasses check, Goku's outfit confirmed a while ago.

Brian is a go! evil grin

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#9961: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:21:41 PM

So...

This is a comparison run with SSJ Vegetto. Guy still has two transformations. SSJ 3 Vegetto VS Beerus?

[up]There's also pubic hair as an accessory, though not shown. It's description says it's way thicker than Jason McNally's. True story.

I wonder how long it'll take for someone to remake that video with Xenoverse's 3d models...

edited 30th Dec '14 1:26:35 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#9962: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:23:54 PM

Actually, if we use Saiga's x40,000 multiplier for SSJG and that 80 million power level Base Goku had, as well as the assumption that 70% of Beerus' power was equal to SSJG Goku's full power, then Beerus would only need a little over 1% of his power to beat SSJ3 Goku.

edited 30th Dec '14 1:24:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#9963: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:52:47 PM

SSJ 3 is x400 multiplier so SSG would already be x100 that. So Beerus wouldn't even need 1% to beat SSJ 3 Goku.

At that's assuming x40 000 for SSG. I would put it quite a bit higher.

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#9964: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:59:13 PM

Why are we assuming x40,000 for God?

I'm not arguing the number, just wondering where it came from.

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#9965: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:19:58 PM

Saiga, since he said something about SSJ3 Vegito only being 32,000 times stronger than Base Goku.

He was going with that to show how SSJG Goku would be stronger that Vegito, taking into account all Super Saiyan forms.

edited 30th Dec '14 2:22:05 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#9966: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:34:02 PM

Seiya vs SSJG Goku, SSJG Vegeta, SSJG Vegetto and Beerus:

edited 30th Dec '14 2:35:54 PM by Rinsankajugin

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#9967: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:38:03 PM

40,000x isn't my exact SSG multiplier, it's my SS4 multiplier, but I think God would be similar if Goku was talking about SS3 Vegetto - and I think he was, because Goku just said fusion won't work, which would be silly if Vegetto could just turn SS2 and ragdoll Beerus.

That rough level for Vegetto comes mostly from applying the official multipliers to Goku and Vegetto while being conservative about Vegetto's power level (unlike people who put him like 5x stronger than Boo when it's not needed to do what he does).

Super Vegetto is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, who is 400x Goku's base. I think he's about 10x stronger due to how much lies between them. Then Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto is i 8 x stronger than that.

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#9968: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:07:27 PM

[up][up] The guy is aware that normal Seiya would lose horribly to those guys, right? Especially since that's the first version of the Pegasus Bronze Cloth in the anime, back when destroying a large boulder by punching it was seen as a pretty big deal.

edited 30th Dec '14 3:16:01 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#9969: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:41:56 PM

As far as I know, many people in Latin countries (including a bunch of my friends) tend to look at Saint Seiya characters as all-powerful super gods, even if some are far from their game-breaking cloths.

It's like Broly-infused nostalgia glasses, but for an entire series rather than one character.

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#9970: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:46:29 PM

... That is actually not true.

We're perfectly aware that, by shown power, the Saints would lose and lose horribly. There's always the moronic guy who thinks his favorite character can beat up all others with his pinky while he's doing his taxes with the other hand, but that's stupid people and stupid people are everywhere.

While Saint Seiya is insanely popular in Latin America... Dragon Ball is more popular.

edited 30th Dec '14 3:47:03 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#9971: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:48:21 PM

I try to tell my friends this, but they just won't listen. sad

At least we can both agree on Jojo, though. smile

GIORNO DESTROYS ALL

edited 30th Dec '14 3:48:53 PM by Rinsankajugin

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#9972: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:51:02 PM

In terms of implied power though, I see God Cloth Seiya as having a god level between 15 or 20; Hades would be a 50 on that scale.

Also, Hades and Athena aren't the most powerful beings in their universe, that title belongs to the Primordials.

edited 30th Dec '14 3:56:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#9973: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:51:22 PM

Are we sure Vegetto even can turn SS 3?

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#9974: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:55:32 PM

Yes, we are. Goku can, therefore, so can Vegetto. There's literally no reason why he wouldn't be able to. The reason why he doesn't is fairly easy to guess, since he absolutely destroyed Buu with just his basic Super Saiyan form. The main issue with fusions going SSJ 3, namely the time limit shortening, does not apply to Vegetto, so he doesn't have any penalties to it Goku himself doesn't have and may even have less simply because he is so much stronger than Goku.

edited 30th Dec '14 3:56:26 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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