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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9876: Dec 27th 2014 at 1:21:20 AM

Ya know, I had a thought: If it's possible to stack power-up supers and power-up ultimates in Xenoverse, then this could mean a CAC Saiyan can be able to go Super Kaioken x 40.

edited 27th Dec '14 1:21:47 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#9877: Dec 27th 2014 at 7:21:13 AM

Also unnecessary: the assertion that Mr. Satan deliberately sat out fights against opponents who seemed really strong prior to the Cell Games. It doesn't contradict anything necessarily, but it doesn't feel right for the character who so brazenly charged in to fight Cell knowing full well that Cell had destroyed cities and killed millions of people. It also seems like something that would have been more noticeable before he was the hero who vanquished Cell.

The impression of Mr. Satan I got from the story proper was that he'd won the Budokai legitimately in the absence of fighters like the Kame Students and Piccolo and had never come upon a monstrously strong adversary until this moment, resulting in his ignorant boldness; Mr. Satan seemed to honestly believe at the time that he was the toughest person ever to walk the Earth and nobody else could compete on his level.

edited 27th Dec '14 8:58:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9878: Dec 27th 2014 at 8:57:24 AM

Fortunately, humans in the DBZ verse are both tough and dumb as shit, so that kid lived, and did not learn the lesson not to pick on implausibly well muscled eight year olds.

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#9879: Dec 27th 2014 at 10:04:23 AM

I wonder how far Yujiro hanma would go in Dragon Ball.

This is a man who stopped an earthquake by punching it, just merely butting heads with his son (literally) caused a skyscraper to collapse and so many other stuff.

And fighters many tiers below him learned how to make punches make sonic booms.

His son didn't even win against him in their final fight, either. He in turn, in the sequel to that got curb stomped by a clone of Miyamoto Musashi.

Yeah. Pretty crazy.

edited 27th Dec '14 10:04:46 AM by DemonGodOfChaos2

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9880: Dec 27th 2014 at 11:08:53 AM

pls no crossver fites.

joking aside,if he cant fly,not very far.

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#9881: Dec 27th 2014 at 11:40:14 AM

He may not be able to, but he can HALO jump without a parachute, at least.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9883: Dec 27th 2014 at 2:05:55 PM

uuuh,shouldn't Frieza's boost be Attack+/Speed- ?

oh well,no use questioning gameplay mechanics.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9884: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:14:29 PM

A lot of these racial bonuses are silly. Namekians get healing boosts because of their regeneration... but honestly, if you were to pick any race to be the self-healing one, it'd be Majin. They're far better at healing. I guess that's where they got the idea of high defence for them, but I'd prefer if they had a Freeza-like ability to temporarily lower their defence while restoring health.

Saiyans apparently also have low defence, despite that not being mentioned here. That is nonsensical - if Saiyans should have any trait, it'd be high defence. Durable bodies are a trait of the Saiyans, and we see them tank more damage than anything else. Nice to see that they've incorporated Zenkai, but that only matters in team battles.

Honestly, since humans sound pretty balanced, I might just roll one of them because I don't like the race effecting the stats or how I choose to play.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:15:15 PM by Saiga

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#9885: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:34:17 PM

I don't think it'll be all that important, for the most part. Methinks personal preference should weigh more anyway, though the metagame will obviously tend to a specific kind of character.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9886: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:43:50 PM

With Majins being inherently evil, since Bibidi 'ripped' Majin Buu from the universe or whatever, and because everybody Babidi turned into a Majin was already some kind of malevolent creature - it's a little odd that we can play as a Majin Hero.

I didn't see a tail on that custom Saiyan character... detachable tail option, hmm. I don't know, tails make the Saiyans distinctive. I feel like they should be mandatory. (Yes Goku and Vegeta don't have them, because they're Goku and Vegeta - the other Saiyans are just "the Saiyans", the tails were their gimmick)

Earthling - They are balanced when it comes to offensive and defensive abilities, and can grow both at the same rate.

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edited 27th Dec '14 4:54:26 PM by FOFD

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9887: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:45:27 PM

Majin even means evil god or whatever.

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#9888: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:46:34 PM

So I sat down and finally watched the big final fight from Battle of Gods. I was...impressed. The animation was cool and crisp, the voice acting is awesome, the action itself really had some weight to it, so they didn't need to blow up the universe to show how infinitely strong they were. And the weirdest thing is that the ending I hated because it shat on the entire universe as being trivial to this random new asshole of destruction...was actually presented as character development for Goku, and I liked it.

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#9889: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:46:36 PM

"Evil God" Hero.

...

Whatevs, it sounds cool.

[up] Um, rewind. Watched it months ago. Character development? I remember Beer...us... ugh... saying that Goku finally accepted his defeat. But really, Goku just moaned about not being able to fight Beerus through his own power.

Goku's admitted to not being strong enough before so... my takeaway from that battle was the Defeat Is The Only Option ending.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:51:31 PM by FOFD

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9890: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:52:50 PM

[up][up][up] No, not the "Majin" used in Dragon Ball. That means "demon human" and is essentially a term used for genies.

Also, people under Babidi's control aren't Majins. The "Majin Vegeta" thing comes from video games and the dub, he's referred to as "Maouji (demon prince) Vegeta" in guides. Boo is the only Majin we see, and he ended up being good anyway... well, more like a bizarre as fuck clone ended up being good.

Oh, there's also Neko Majin. He was a good guy. Kind of.

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#9891: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:57:28 PM

[up][up]Yeah, but this was the only time Goku'd ever been faced with a power that he could never, ever achieve by himself, and for a guy like Goku, who's been able to just train and brute force all his problems into oblivion his entire life, that's probably upsetting. And, again, Goku is a guy that's never really been beaten, or when he looked like he was about to lose, something was able to come in at the nick of time and help him win.

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#9892: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:58:41 PM

I'm pretty sure the Majin character race is being cribbed from DBO, where they're all descendants of Majin Buu, who created a wife so that he could have a family or something like that.

[up] Goku's been beaten several times. Just off the top of my head, Jackie Chun, Tao Pai Pai, Piccolo Daimao, and Vegeta all beat Goku.

edited 27th Dec '14 5:00:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#9893: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:00:48 PM

But, again, those were all people Goku was able to overcome with training. The Beerus fight was different.

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#9894: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:01:22 PM

[up][up][up] No, he's totally been beaten before. Lost to Roshi, lost to Tao Pai Pai, lost to Tenshinhan (thought that was BS), lost to Tambourine, lost to Daimao, lost to Vegeta, lost to 19, lost to Cell.

[up] No, it's not. It will only be different if he doesn't eventually overcome Beerus with training. Which that movie, and the next, are setting him up for.

edited 27th Dec '14 5:01:59 PM by Saiga

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#9895: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:04:09 PM

Okay, hang on, 19 barely counts. He was still winning, even when he was dying.

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#9896: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:06:49 PM

...until he stopped winning, got the shit kicked out of him, and outright lost. He lost that fight 100%.

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#9897: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:08:09 PM

[up](x7)

Ah yes, Neko Majin. The blue rabbit thing. I thought it was just part of his name.

[up](x6) [up][up] (x5)

But in those cases, Goku still sought to become stronger. There was no skill ceiling for him. With Beerus he's like, "F'ck it, you win."

Which, honestly, felt a little out-of-character. Goku never gives up. His motivation in this film was to keep Beerus from destroying the Earth, but he was really freaking chill about it until the end.

Frieza, Buu, Cooler - Goku's been exhausted to the point he couldn't even stand and he never just gave up.

Although, maybe that's similar to what you meant, in that Goku realized that all he had to do was surrender and Beerus would stop short - whereas before, he'd never have considered that option (albeit, rightfully so... so Broken Aesop?). I'm still not sure if that's actual character development.

Regardless:

Beerus: Why didn't you power-up to Super Saiyan God and absorb my attack again?

Goku: I searched your feelings - so I knew that you would stop.

Beerus: Bullsh't!

edited 27th Dec '14 5:10:36 PM by FOFD

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#9898: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:16:23 PM

He's totally given up before. He gave up against Vegeta - just said "fuck it, you win". He gave up against Cell - even though he had a back up plan, he still genuinely gave it his all and realized he couldn't win.

Goku is still seeking to become stronger after Battle of Gods. This is no different.

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#9899: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:19:01 PM

I would like to say he's never been as outclassed as he was against Beerus, but even that isn't really true. Frieza even pulled the same, "Aha, I see you are handling 72% of my power, let's see how you handle 75%!" bullshit that Beerus was.

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#9900: Dec 27th 2014 at 7:24:26 PM

Goku won't give up if the situation requires that he don't. Against Freeza, he knew he couldn't win, but he didn't give up because giving up meant everybody died. Goku gave up against Beerus likely because he could tell that defeat wouldn't have consequences as fatal as defeat against Freeza.

It's a common cliché in shonen that people understand each other best after beating the everloving crap out of each other, and maybe what they intended to get across was that Goku could tell Beerus had no intention of destroying Earth after getting a fight he actually enjoyed for a change.

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