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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9851: Dec 26th 2014 at 5:44:39 PM

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He used Tao to improve things.

The latter is a lot closer to 17 and 18 than Metalitron (fully mechanical) or Android Eight (doesn't really look like a normal human).

Tao is a noticeable android, but only if he doesn't keep his head and hands covered.

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#9852: Dec 26th 2014 at 5:51:04 PM

You know who else wasn't anything like 17 or 18? 16.

There's no reason to assume that Gero upgraded Tao Pai Pai.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9853: Dec 26th 2014 at 5:56:28 PM

Well, they both worked for the Red Ribbon Army at some point. And Tao Pai Pai hated Goku as much as Doctor Gero. That's something.

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#9854: Dec 26th 2014 at 6:17:58 PM

Tao Pai Pai never worked for the Red Ribbon Army. He contracted for them. There's an important difference there.

He was a freelancer whose relationship with the RRA is solely that they hired him for an assassination job while he was celebrating his half-off sale for 20 Years of Assassination. After Goku blew him up, he returned home to the Crane school and used his immense wealth to buy his cybernetics.

edited 26th Dec '14 6:18:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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#9855: Dec 26th 2014 at 6:20:24 PM

Given that DBO had Android 9 be Commander Red revived, I like the idea of Tao Pai Pai being Android 10 (his cyborg form in DBO is called "Tao Pai Pai X" as well). Gero's the only cyborg creator we know of in the series, and Tao Pai Pai's fortune would've helped his research improve.

Of course the Full Colour Q & A's show that just tying characters together isn't necessarily a good thing with Satan and Tao Pai Pai's messy connection, so I can see why some won't like the idea.

edited 26th Dec '14 6:20:45 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9856: Dec 26th 2014 at 6:25:51 PM

Satan and Tao Pai Pai's messy connection

Satan? As in Known as Hercule in the West Satan?

How the hell are Satan and Tao Pai Pai connected? Did they go to the same Barber or something?

edited 26th Dec '14 6:26:02 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9857: Dec 26th 2014 at 6:45:37 PM

Tao Pai Pai was hired to do a job by the Red Ribbon Army. For the duration of his contract, he worked for the Red Ribbon Army.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9858: Dec 26th 2014 at 6:50:41 PM

From here:

How did Mr. Satan train to become stronger? Did he have someone like a martial-arts master…?

When Mr. Satan was young, he attended a fighting dojo called “Satan Castle”. Through a combination of considerable power and good luck (his rival fighting opponent would get food poisoning, for instance), he quickly became world champion and was called “Mr. Satan” after the name of his dojo. One day, at a bar in South City (where they were on tour), Satan and his martial-arts master made the mistake of making fun of Tao Pai-pai’s hairstyle. His master was killed, and Satan was heavily injured. From then on, Mr. Satan solemnly swore never to fight anyone whose true identity he didn’t know, or anyone who seemed crazy strong.

Retcons, retcons everywhere.

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#9859: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:02:11 PM

Doesn't really seem like a retcon, since we knew absolutely nothing about Mark's past before the Cell Saga.

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#9860: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:04:33 PM

Yeah, it's a retcon, because Satan's behaviour isn't consistent with the backstory.

He attacked Cell while not knowing his identity, and after Cell was doing ridiculous displays of strength. He can pass off the latter by saying he didn't believe the feats of strength were real, but the fact that he knows nothing of Cell who doesn't even look human really sticks out.

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#9861: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:08:26 PM

Yep. It's also a retcon that didn't need to be made. Oh, it's not that he fought Tao Pai Pai and got utterly and completely trounced, no, it's that bit about not fighting people he doesn't know anything about or who seem crazy strong. If that wasn't there, it would just be something that people hadn't thought about.

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#9862: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:11:51 PM

Except he does know about Cell, he's the monster responsive for the death of dozens of cities, a threat to the planet, and he appeared on live television to announce the Cell Games. I think it's more like he won't fight someone who he knows absolutely nothing about, which is a category that Cell isn't technically in.

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#9863: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:13:47 PM

Yeah, no. He doesn't know anything about Cell except his name and that he's killed some people. That's absolutely nothing.

Looking at Tao Pai Pai, he can tell that he's a human in an outfit with a moustache and stupid hair. Apparently that's not enough to count in the category of "people he knows about".

edited 26th Dec '14 7:14:23 PM by Saiga

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#9864: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:16:36 PM

Except he had some information about Cell, all he knew about Tao was his appearance.

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#9865: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:24:30 PM

No, he didn't. Name, appearance, "I killed some people" is not largely removed from just knowing appearance.

If knowing someone's appearance isn't enough, neither is knowing their name or that they're a murderer. Because neither of those things actually help Satan's confidence.

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#9866: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:29:38 PM

Mr. Satan knew enough about Cell to know he had no chance in hell against Cell. He went to fight Cell anyway. Dood's a hero.

edited 26th Dec '14 7:30:08 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#9867: Dec 26th 2014 at 7:32:03 PM

Look, let me make this distinction, it's not like it's hurting anything.

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#9868: Dec 26th 2014 at 8:52:18 PM

Gohan totally could have dodged this.

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#9869: Dec 26th 2014 at 8:53:46 PM

Did he want to dodge?

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#9870: Dec 26th 2014 at 8:55:32 PM

Well, if there was one time to ignore his training from Piccolo, that was it.

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#9871: Dec 26th 2014 at 9:09:38 PM

Trunks murders a kid.

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#9872: Dec 26th 2014 at 9:10:18 PM

Man, that Jr. Tournament was so ridiculously unfair.

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#9873: Dec 26th 2014 at 9:11:06 PM

TFS will make a douche joke for that scene.

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#9874: Dec 26th 2014 at 9:13:13 PM

Like, no child in that tournament could have had a power level higher than ten. And whatever training they had, it couldn't possibly, in a billion years, match up against the two Eldritch Abominations trained by Warrior Gods.

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#9875: Dec 26th 2014 at 9:13:58 PM

And I mean murder as in that kid's dead.

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