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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9801: Dec 23rd 2014 at 4:46:20 PM

The Halo has very little to do with whether you're good or evil. It's just to indicate a dead person who has a body.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9803: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:02:20 PM

[up][up] Which is why it's weird they even added that restriction.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9804: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:11:51 PM

I really don't get the whole 17 and 18 don't have any mechanical parts thing. It's ridiculous.

If this shit keeps up, then I don't care how much word of god Toriyama gives, I'm going to just start ignoring it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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#9806: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:20:19 PM

The Halo has very little to do with whether you're good or evil. It's just to indicate a dead person who has a body.

Evil MOST people don't get bodies.

edited 23rd Dec '14 5:20:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9807: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:21:32 PM

[up][up]Excellent.

Then lets us form the FUCK THESE RETCONS Club Saiga.

It will be an awesome club, for awesome people.

.....Despite you being a member.tongue

~ducks a brick~

edited 23rd Dec '14 5:21:42 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9808: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:44:57 PM

[up][up]... So?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9809: Dec 23rd 2014 at 8:32:51 PM

Goku is literally God-Tier now. Heir of Light...

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9810: Dec 24th 2014 at 9:31:47 AM

Dragon Ball Heroes commercial, shows off the 7 Shadow Dragons and SSJO Gogeta:

qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#9811: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:31:54 PM

It always amuses me when people start crying Fanon discontinuity. Me personally, I may not like something but I take the mature route and just accept that the creator of something has made it canon. Even if it doesn't make sense, I don't allow myself to get into an entitled mindset where I expect everything in the series to be the way I want it to.

I'm enjoying this because of all the dick riding people have been doing on Toriyama for years and this is just showing that he either doesn't remember his own series and being saying he isn't forgetful is complete bs or that he just doesn't care all that much or even decided to change his mind and retcon bits of the lore he does not like.

Now what would work is explaining how the cyborgs are organic yet supposed to be cyborgs, because let's face it, Gero making machines that strong was always BS.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9812: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:36:43 PM

well,Cell's also an android.biotechnology? tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9813: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:39:29 PM

Well, they're artificial life forms, at any rate.

And nobody ever claimed Toriyama wasn't forgetful, and if they did, they'd be bullshitting 'cause the man forgot Saiyans had tails entirely, at some point.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9814: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:40:42 PM

[up]

Oh come on!

That's ridiculous. I won't believe that one unless we're shown an interview.

No offence IANCE, but even I don't believe he's that forgetful.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9815: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:42:34 PM

Funny how you say you take the mature route and post something like that [up][up][up][up] calling people entitled and saying some are dick riding Toriyama is not remotely mature.

There's no real need to accept everything an author says, especially years after a work has concluded. Toriyama came up with a bunch of new information, some of it was interesting and some of it really wasn't. Just brushing off the contradictory stuff and retcons isn't being entitled at all, nobody can force someone to accept this stuff.

In the end "canon" is kind of completely meaningless especially when the rights holders haven't talked about it at all. Who the hell cares? I'm just going to stick with a lot of the original explanations because they make more sense and fit better, and that doesn't effect anyone. It's probably never going to be brought up again.

[up][up] Well he actually brought up the lack of tails when Trunks was born. So no, bad example - he just chose to stop including them (like Lunch).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9816: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:51:31 PM

I like to think he forgot while he was designing Goten and Trunks, and then remembered after he was done, so he went "Fuck it, I don't care anymore". I doubt he forgot Saiyans had tails entirely. I just like exaggerating. Goku being a boy with a tail was, after all, kind of important back in the day. There's also the fact that Gohan apparently never regenerated his tail after the fight with Vegeta.

Either way, the tails are pointless at that point, since on Goten and Trunks they'd just be weaknesses.

edited 25th Dec '14 3:52:33 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9817: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:52:30 PM

There was also that one time where Toriyama asked Oda who Tao Pai Pai was.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9818: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:53:00 PM

That's 'cause his name is Mercenary Tao, duh.

(Yes, I know, yes, this is intentional, yes, it is a joke)

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9820: Dec 25th 2014 at 3:56:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, but... when baby Trunks was first seen, the tail question was raised. That should have been well before he designed Goten/Kid Trunks, because there's no way Toriyama plans that far ahead.tongue

It really is just a case of "I don't want these tails any more" because they're a total pain in the ass. He did once say he didn't like worrying about the moon because of it.

[up][up][up] Also not true. In that interview, he brushes off Tao Pai Pai as a minor character, which Oda is shocked about.

edited 25th Dec '14 3:57:02 PM by Saiga

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9821: Dec 25th 2014 at 4:03:09 PM

There is some time between that and when he designed Kid Goten and Kid Trunks. That's what I meant. I can buy that between those two time spaces Toriyama might have forgotten about the tails, because they were such a minor detail and he had a lot of reasons not to include them.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9822: Dec 25th 2014 at 6:35:05 PM

He didn't need to forgot. He had already deliberately written them out. Trunks didn't have a tail from when he was first seen and he addressed that.

He clearly didn't want the tails any more.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9824: Dec 25th 2014 at 7:14:07 PM

Just saying, the fact that Goten also didn't have one and that Gohan's never grew back went unadressed, far as I can recall. Ultimately, though, it's not really important. It's a minor detail at best, and I can just assume Chichi removed them whenever they popped out.

Incidentally, as a funny note, Abridged!Goku calls Freeza 'Freezer'. Which is what the Latin dub called him. So I giggle a bit every time he says it. (Also, it helps that Masako's voice is a lot closer to Mario Castañeda, the Latin Goku, than you'd expect).

edited 25th Dec '14 7:16:02 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#9825: Dec 25th 2014 at 7:20:14 PM

Saiyans having tails was just a relic of Dragon Ball starting out as a parody of a Journey to the West. As it eventually became something entirely different it's not surprising that toriyama wanted to get rid of them.

edited 25th Dec '14 7:22:24 PM by wehrmacht


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