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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9751: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:46:38 PM

Because of some bullshit to do with breaking out of hell. And then for fusion!

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#9752: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:52:30 PM

Let's hold back on the GT bashing for a moment and let me rephrase my question: what was the reasoning that the Hell Fighter android had to be a duplicate of 17?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9753: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:57:24 PM

Fine, substitute "bullshit" with "techno magi babble" it's the same damn thing.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9754: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:00:45 PM

Because Lapis was the strongest of the androids Gero actually made; 16 doesn't count because in his eyes he was a failure, and Cell was technically never made by him, and the present version of Cell was killed as a larvae.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9755: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:00:46 PM

[awesome]

[1]

wild mass guessIt seems Gero simply won the coin toss on who got to design the android, while Myuu focused on power output and fusion capability. Admittedly, not a point for GT.

They needed someone to open the portal to Hell, and 17 seemed to be their choice. Now, why, I don't know, and why Hell Fighter 17 was able to brainwash the other, I also don't know. And why Myuu's designs were able to merge with Gero's old design, beats me. For that matter, why the two of them synchronizing allowed them to open the gate to-

Honestly, they probably just thought it'd be cool to bring back an old antagonist and make him stronger.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9756: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:11:50 PM

Oh, and the reason given for why it was 17 and not any other Android was that GT reveals that 17 was originally planned to be Gero's strongest Android, and would've been stronger than Cell buuut he ditched the plan for unexplained reasons.

So Super 17 is kind of implied to be the original plan for 17.

edited 22nd Dec '14 7:12:06 PM by Saiga

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#9757: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:24:45 PM

So basically just because? Well that's par the course with GT. Disappointing.

#IceBearForPresident
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9758: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:26:00 PM

Dr. Gero: I was going through a phase!

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9759: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:53:15 PM

All this makes even less sense when you remember that 17 is a cyborg and not an android, and his body shape wasn't designed by Gero.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9761: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:59:03 PM

True 'dat.

wild mass guess I still think about whether or not 17 and 18 volunteered for the cybernetics (don't remember if Toriyama's interview said anything on the subject).

Like, did he pitch it to them like this?

Gero: Hey you two. Want to be superheroes?

Lapis/Lazuli: DO I?

Gero: Well then come with me to my secret mountain base, and I'll show you my hidden laboratory where I can make you two into superheroes.

Or this:

Gero: Hey.

Lapis/Lazuli: Hey.

Gero: You kids want to make some money?

Lazuli: Do I need to call the cops on you old man?

Gero: Fine. If you both sign this contract agreeing to sell your bodies to science, you'll be able to fly, shoot lasers from your eyes, and be stronger than eh... eh... blast, what are you kids into... eh, you'll be stronger than Goku!

Lapis: What's a Goku?

Gero: Why, he's the strongest man on Earth. Total teen hearthrob.

Lazuli: Never heard of him.

Lapis: Wait sis, I think he's talking about Hercule.

Gero: (Is that what they're calling him now?) Yes. Yes! You'll be stronger than Hercule! I promise!

Lazuli: -shrug- Worst case scenario, he's lying and we mug his retired ass.

Lapis: Sounds like a plan.

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:02:43 PM by FOFD

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9762: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:06:06 PM

Saiga, he's not an android. An android is a humanoid robot, no human parts at all; 16 is what would be considered an android. Lapis and Lazuli are cyborgs since they are normal humans that have been enhanced by cybernetics. I'm afraid we'll have to revoke your pope privileges.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9763: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:07:06 PM

I think part of it had to do with 17 not being dead at the moment.

I mean, making a copy of 16 or Cell that needed to link up with their counterpart on Earth would have been less than helpful.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9764: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:12:47 PM

[up][up] nope! Your definition of android is not the only one. You need to understand that there is overlap between the two terms, being a cyborg does not mean he can't also be an android.

To be an android doesn't require one have no human parts - as a mechanical being who resembles a human, 17 counts as an android.

Well, ignoring the retcons that say they have no mechanical parts.

[up] Would've been really easy to justify, which is why it's weird that they went with "17 was really meant to be the strongest Android!" instead of that.

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:13:25 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9765: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:15:22 PM

I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong here. Now then, who wants to be the new pope since he's lost the right to be called it.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9766: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:17:58 PM

Good job using only one definition on the entire internet!

Also doesn't say anything about requiring no human parts in that anyway. especially not if you scroll down where human women IRL can be considered to have android parts.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9767: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:18:49 PM

If DBH content got into DBXV, what would ya want? The entire cast of avatars, the weird what-if transformations, expanding team battles to be 5-v-5, the weird arcade-portal story from the manga?

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:19:47 PM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9768: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:21:41 PM

Uh... I'd like Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Trunks, I guess (but for Xeno Trunks, I feel that makes more sense since he's actively trying to protect the timeline). Not a big deal since the transformations are pretty bungled anyway - I might not even use Super Saiyan 3.

Baby Janemba was cool, Cell-absorbed Super 17 would be cool if he wasn't so bulky.

Oh, I'd add the avatars hairstyles if any of those are missing from the game.

Aaaand I'd add Majin everything as alternate costumes for the characters who had them. Theeeeen also add it as a customisation item.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#9769: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:23:48 PM

I'm now picturing an Alternate Future fic where the descendants of the Z-Warriors are supercops, and all I can picture is something Wonderful 101-esque.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9770: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:24:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yes, in medical terms. In terms of robotics, it's a robot with a human appearance.

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:24:44 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9771: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:27:28 PM

Having Majin Alternates for everyone would be hella fun.

Eh. Having more options to customize my character is always welcome.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9773: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:54:42 PM

He's not a robot though, a robot is a completely mechanized mobile being; look at any robot in sci-fi or in the real world, and you would see that every robot is completely metal.

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:57:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9774: Dec 22nd 2014 at 9:05:50 PM

I think the ones who became Majin-controlled were Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, Cell, Cooler, Broly, Garlic Jr., Ginger, Nicky, Sansho, Turles, Lord Slug, Zeeun, Angila, Medamatcha, Wings, Android 13, Hatchiyack, Dr. Raichi, Bojack, Zangya, Bido, Kogu, Bujin, Janemba, Hirudegarn and Baby.

edited 22nd Dec '14 9:07:12 PM by Rinsankajugin

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#9775: Dec 22nd 2014 at 9:07:07 PM

Nothing for the future super cops? ;-;

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